Christians becoming militant about Christmas.

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  1. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    They are framing it in terms of a religious battle, a jihad so to speak. I wonder if the Church will come to dominate politics in America or be rejected because of its attempts to dictate to people.
     
  2. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    The left wants what they want, the right wants what it wants, Christians want what they want, Jews want what they want, Muslims want what they want, Athiests want what they want, We all seem to want what we want.

    While I don't agree with the militant and threatning tone of this message, I don't agree with the ACLU style lawsuits over "government sanctioned" Christmas displays either.

    I think this is a non-issue, it will go away on the 26th. It is just an attempt to raise the ire of those who want more to be mad about.

    Merry Christmas BTW!
     
  3. Xtremehkr thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That's not quite what is being said. They are trying to make people say "Merry Christmas."
     
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    This is nonsensical. What does it accomplish to have people say one phrase over the other? It is the shallowest of objectives.

    As a matter of the character of both the holiday and those who chose the manner in which they might regard it, this makes no difference.

    Why do these "christians" have such an inferiority/persecution complex? How you chose to believe is a deep, personal decision and should be immune to the influence of mere windowdressing. Why does the government and general society need to sanction Christianity to make it valid in these people's eyes?

    I don't understand. Christians survived and flourished under all manners of persecution throughout the Centuries, yet the refusal to enshrine Christianity as a matter of Public policy or popular culture fodder is going to destroy it?

    whatever. This attitude of absolutism, stemming from righteousness or fear, is example par excellence of why there is separation of Church and State.
     
  5. Xtremehkr thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I believe it gives people an easily achievable sense of purpose and a clearly identifiable enemy to hate. Thus making the goal of improving the world simple. Make it christian and those who don't agree, make them go away because this is (erroneously) a christian nation.
     
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    Let's go rewind the history and dump the commercialism that Macy's foisted on us and go back to the old days of feasts, social gathering, drinking, with the occasional riot like it used to be.

    That'll probably satisfy everyone.
     
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    'cept Macy's.
     
  8. 3rdpath macrumors 68000

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    that's a cop-out. show me where any of the other faiths you've mentioned have tried to dictate a "proper" holiday greeting. you believe what you want and you respect other's desires to express( or not) themselves as they so choose. take away the militant tactics and the message is still wrong.

    no it won't go away on the 26th...it will merely shift to another topic.
     
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    Merry Boxing Day, 3rdpath!
     
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    This crap iritates me. If someone came up to me and said "Happy Hanukah" (please pick the spelling of your choice if you disagree with mine, I'm not Jewish so what do I know) I would respond by saying "You too!" and be on my Merry Christmas way. Everything has to be so politically correct that it's blinding. Accept that there are other people in this world that aren't like you and me and, trust me, you'll live a more stressfree life. Then again, being the humans that we are with this intellectual thought process, we'll find something else to bitch about. Let's just start the inquisition again and get it over with...new rules though, if you have an opinion that doesn't benefit everyone equally you die! hehe :)

    There is always that rumor going around that the Jews control the media...if they did, or if they do, don't you think they would have stopped airing the Charlie Brown Christmas special or Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? Yes, I'm spouting nonsense - but, what if?
     
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    thanks,

    and a merry thereisonlyonetruewaytosalvationandhisnameisjesusandpityeverybodyelsebecausethey'regoingtohell day to you.*





    *this greeting may be used any day of the year.
     
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    i'm offended. and because i am, no more blue M&M's!!!!!!!! I call on the M&M Mars company to remove all blue M&M's because I am offended by this statement (not really) and deserve to have everyone else's day ruined because it's all about number one, ME, and the followers of me! follow me, Continuum, to salvation. muh.
     
  13. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    It's not a rumor, it's neo-nazi propaganda. Beyond that, I don't have a clue what you are arguing. As far as political correctness is concerned, in this case, it's coming entirely from the evangelical Christians. They are the people who are trying to control speech on the grounds that what other people says offends them.
     
  14. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    Should I also respect the KKK to express themselves as they so choose? These people are expressing their desire to hear MERRY CHRISTMAS, that is their point. They are doing so lawfully.

    What part of this reply did you not get?

    All sides use tactics on their behalf, not JUST at Christmas, but all year long, wether or not it is a belief in a more, or a less social government, etc.... That is my point.
    If Dr MLK did not use the pulpit to change amercia, where would the message have come from. Because most will agree that Christianity strong arming department stores is pretty rediculous, doesn't mean the Christian Church doesn't have a place in strong societal change, hopefully for the better. While you may or may not agree, the present Pope had a lot to do with the fall of Communism, or at least the speeding up of it.
    I am not saying that each of the previous mentioned groups are after proper verbage of their holiday, but each is after something at sometime or another, and often something that is not always what everyone else wants either.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!
     
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    NEO-NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
    If you truly believe it is such, you must see the dark in everything! Goodness!

    Is it NEO-NAZI PROPAGAND, when PITA is out dumping paint on others clothes? Is it NEO-NAZI PROPAGANDA when Green Peace protests! Turn it down a notch big fella! :)
    These people are using non-violent means to a cause. While it is petty and silly, atleast they are not destructing others property. And it is completely within the law to do so.
     
  16. Xtremehkr thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That's not what the article is about Stu. These people are trying to make others conform to how they think things should be.
     
  17. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    I understand what the article is saying, why is it that you think I don't?
     
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    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you aren't tracking this thread very carefully. I was responding to the "rumor" that Jews control the media. This is neo-nazi propaganda. If you happen to agree with the statement that Jews control the media, please let me know so I can add you to my ignore list.
     
  19. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    'k, gotit.
     
  20. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Just call it by its real name: political correctness, right-wing style.

    BTW, did we really need a third thread on this subject? I cited this exact same story earlier this morning in one of the other threads.
     
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    Hello Newman!

    I'm agreeing with Xtremehkr - "These people are trying to make others conform to how they think things should be." Nobody has to be happy on my special day or your special day. If they don't celebrate Christmas or Hanukah then ignore it - although that's hard to do if you have a radio or TV. It's just another day for them. And the whole "Jewish Media" thing was just a little sarcasm. This is just a different, milder version of what's been happening in the Holy Land for years...the world for that matter. My faith is bigger and better than yours....blah blah blah.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone! If you're not Christian...have a good day! If you are Mexican, well, then I'll wish you Happy New Year in May.
     
  22. Xtremehkr thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I didn't see the other one(s), I thought it was worth discussing.

    It could be compared to political correctness, but it's not politically correct. It's intolerant of other religions and beliefs and peoples rights to interperet things they way they wish to.

    It's more like Christian Correctness that is being applied to the populace as a whole.

    Though I will grant that it is almost purely for political gain.
     
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    This is stupid. As a Christian, I usually say Merry Christmas or Happy holidays. However, I say it because I want to. I don't expect stores to tell me Merry Christmas, because there are other holidays during this time of year, which other religions celebrate. Therefore these stores also have to cater to them. Anyhow, if the owners of the stores aren't Christian, wouldn't it be hypocritcal of them to say it (unless they were coerced, of course)?

    All I expect of the local retailers at Christmas it to give me good service, and reasonable prices. I will do my celebrating of Christ's birth in my church, with friends. :)


    BTW: Rather than coercing stores owners/employees to say Merry Christmas, which in many instances would be insincere (since employee may not be Christian) wouldn't it be better to invite them to your church to learn about Jesus? I mean if it really bothers you that much...


    edit: when I say "you", I mean the people in the article.
     
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    This stuff really annoys me. If a Christian has a problem with a store saying happy holidays or what have you then they, as in that single individual, shouldnt shop there. As someone who is a deeply spiritual Christian, I plan to pursue a career in ministry, this holiday is about Christ for me, and you won't catch me saying Happy Holidays just to be politically correct. But guess what, the same freedom that I have to say Merry Christmas to someone gives that person the right to display, say, or cellebrate anything they would like. Or even tell me that they would prefere I didnt say Merry Christmas in which I would respect their request. When will people realize, and by this I mean the Christians who are complaining about this stuff, that noone can take Christ out of Christmas if you approach it as being about Jesus. As a Christian I don't see how making someone view, say or respect a symbol of our faith makes anyone more faithful or better followers of Christ. I guess I don't feel my allegiance is to the image of this as a Christian nation, but rather to Christ himself.


    Sorry for the rant, I just wanted you to understand a different and popular Christian view of this.

    Paul
     
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    Fair enough, but I've got to say that every time that someone tries to "save" me from my "heathen" religion and help me open my heart to Christ, I get considerably annoyed. I appreciate neither the personal patronization nor the air of cultural/religious superiority.

    If I were working in a store, I would not enjoy the smug proselytization of my customers, though I would endure it, as I would like to keep my job.
     

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