Congressional Republicans blame CIA

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  1. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    It appears that it was all the CIA's fault. That is the conclusion of the Senate Committee looking into why the estimates of Iraqi WMDs and ties to al Qaeda were so far off the mark.

    washington post

    This should be read in tandem with the article by Seymour Hersh entitled "the Stovepipe" in the New Yorker. It gives a good case for the opposite conclusion.

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  2. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    i guess it didn't matter that the WH secured its own means of intelligence gathering, nor that cheney pressured the agency into reporting only along the lines of the WH's agenda.

    or that the UN's intelligence was the best of all. the organization that bush elected to ignore.

    hell, it's probably my fault, too.
     
  3. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Looking at comments from people in both parties on Captiol Hill, plus the desires of the Administration, there was a real climate of "He's got WMDs!" inside the Beltway. So, they only heard what they wanted to hear. All of'em.

    The CIA was selective as to what it told; the listeners were selective as to what they heard. And so, "Hey, ho! Hey, ho! It's off to Baghdad we go!"

    Sorta weird to think of an issue where Hillary and Trent Lott were in bed together. :D

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  4. Sayhey thread starter macrumors 68000

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    'Rat,

    I'm as critical as the next guy toward Congressional Democrats who buckled under to give Bush a free rein on his adventures in Iraq. However, the idea that it is all equivalent just doesn't wash. It was the Bush administration that pushed the phony intelligence to further their previously established goals. It was the Bush administration that led us into this quagmire. It would take a substantial rewrite of history to make it look like it was everybody's fault. That rewrite is under way in the form of Rumsfeld's memo and Bush's recent statement that "of course there was no al Qaeda/Saddam connection." It is hard for me to believe intelligent people will forget the last two years of Bush propaganda, but with the way some folks are mimicking the latest line from "Big Brother" George perhaps it is possible folks will fall for this "newspeak."
     
  5. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    sayhey, I follow your point, but I'm not sure I agree. To pick just two, for the moment: Sen Hillary on October 10th, last year, and Sen John Kerry on January 23rd, this year, spoke quite strongly about the need to remove Saddam, and about his efforts toward WMD.

    When you have that sort of stroke right in there at full cry with the hawks, I'd say it's legitimate to claim there was a bi-partisan atmosphere of "Cry havoc!".

    Now, as far as rewrite, spin and weasel, I'm in accord with you. I said back when I first started meddling on this board that there was no need for the Bushies to do all that BSing about WMD. But I ain't into giving free rides to the other side of the aisle, just because now they're as big a bunch of "Me no Alamo! Me no Goliad!" lying SOBs as anybody else.

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  6. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    I wonder how Bush 41 feels about how his son's administration appears to be scapegoating his former agency. And how this will affect relations between the administration and the intel people. If the WH passes their buck to the CIA, there's gonna be some pissed off people at that agency, and we might not get honest intel ever again.

    Sooner or later people who were there will tell their stories. Some have started already. None of them have been good for the WH.
     
  7. yamabushi macrumors 65816

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  8. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Will only hold up if it's not really scapegoating and the CIA really did cheese the intel. If the WH messed around at all it will come out eventually. I hope that if it is the WH's fault, that the evidence will come out sooner rather than later.
     
  9. yamabushi macrumors 65816

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    Of course the CIA made mistakes - they always do. This shouldn't have been a surprise. In this case, there is documentation to show that they did warn WH staff members about the possibility of unreliable information regarding at least a few points. We will likely never know the true extent of the quantity and quality of information they had. The White House probably has a very good idea of what is known by the CIA, so their finger pointing is out of line.
     

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