Connecting my two MACs ??

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  1. Rowena macrumors newbie

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    Hi All
    New to this forum and need some help!

    I have a G3 (blue yoshemite) and a G4. Both are running OSX with OS9 partition.

    I have an old Nikon Film scanner that will only run on OS9. At the moment it's a pain as everytime I want to scan I have to reboot my G4 into OS9 Ideally I want to link the old G3 to the G4 and be able to run the scanner from the G3's hardrive, then move the scanned files over to the G4 hardrive.

    Is this possible.... and how do I do it !!

    Many thanks
    Rowena
     
  2. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Welcome to MacRumors, Rowena. How are things in Perth?

    Sounds like you should leave the G3 booted in OS 9 with the film scanner connected, pick a folder on the G3 in which to put the files, and use file sharing between OS X on the G4 and OS 9 on the G3.

    Do you have something else in mind or is this what you want?

    Are you asking for help setting up file sharing between OS 9 and OS X or do you already know how to do that?
     
  3. Rowena thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Hi Doctor Q !!

    Thanks for the speedy response! And from LA LA Land too!

    Yes I want to do exactly what you suggested!! I wasn't sure if both machines had to run the same OS... so can I get rid of OSX on the G3 and just have OS9 booted and how do I file share?
    Apple talk on, file sharing enabled in control panels, then how to connect??? Firewire or Ethernet??

    Rowena
     
  4. Doctor Q Administrator

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    I need to give you three warnings before my suggested setup steps:

    1. You must be connected to the Internet since you are visiting MacRumors, and I don't know what settings you are using for Networking or what kind of cabling from either computer. I don't want you to mess up your Internet access by changing settings or moving cables around, so before you change anything, make note of your cabling and how your control panel and preference settings are set now, so you can put everything back the way it was, if necessary.

    2. Turning on file sharing when you are connected to the Internet can make your computers accessible from the outside world. Firewall software or hardware can avoid this by isolating your two computers from the Internet side of your connection. File sharing momentarily is a smaller risk than leaving file sharing on all the time, but it's a risk all the same. If you don't have the protection of a firewall, you might want to turn on file sharing only when you are disconnected from the Internet.

    3. Since I'm writing this from memory without actually trying it myself, I hope I'm steering you correctly. It's late here in la-la-land (yawwwwwn), so I'll check this thread tomorrow in case you need more help. And, of course, I'm not the only one who will offer you help. Someone else may correct my information or help us both through followup steps.

    Now, for my suggestions...

    --- Which kind of connection ---

    Ethernet is the usual approach. You only need to share one way (either "push" files from the G3 or "pull" files from the G4), but sharing will actually work both ways so you might as well set it up to do so. Of course, we only have to get one of the two directions working, so if one direction fails, you can still do what you want.

    Although you can connect a Mac OS X computer to another computer as a firewire drive, you then can't use it directly because the Mac is simply pretending to be an external firewire disk drive.

    --- Cabling ---

    If both Ethernet ports are available, you can use a crossover Ethernet cable directly between the two machines, or run a normal (straight-through) Ethernet cable from each Mac to a hub.

    In other words:

    G3 <--crossover--> G4

    or

    G3 <--straight--> hub <--straight--> G4

    --- Setup ---

    On the G3:

    In the File Sharing control panel, turn file sharing on.

    Select the hard disk and choose File->Get Info->Sharing Setup. Click "Share this item".

    In the Users & Groups control panel, open "Guest" and check "Allow guests to connect to this computer".

    (Note: I don't have an OS 9 system here to check this. I'm telling you the OS 8 setup. I forget if OS 9 is the same.)

    On the G4:

    In the Sharing preference pane, turn on "Personal File Sharing". This will allow access to your Public folder, e.g., /Users/yourname/Public from other computers.

    In the Network preference pane, AppleTalk tab, make AppleTalk active.

    --- Networking ---

    In the G3's TCP/IP control panel and the G4's Network preference pane, TCP/IP tab, you need settings that let the two computers see each other.

    Typically...

    If they are configured with the "Manual" method, you'd want them to have similar but different IP addresses. For example, if the Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0, the two IP addresses should differ only in the fourth number.

    If they are configured with the "DHCP" method, then both computers should be connected to your router, because they will be given unique addresses by the router or your Internet service provider.

    If you say more about how you are currently set up (dial-up or Ethernet, and what Network settings), I can probably be more specific.

    --- To access the other computer's files ---

    On the G3:

    Open the Chooser and choose AppleTalk. You should see the G4 show up on the right side shortly. Pick it and you should be able to connect as a guest and see the Public folder on the G4.

    On the G4:

    In the Finder, select Go->Connect to Server. You should see the G3 show up in the window shortly. Pick it and click Connect. You should be able to connect as a guest and see the hard disk.

    In either case, you can copy files back and forth.

    See? Nothing to it!
     
  5. Rowena thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Hi Doctor Q

    Thank you so much for all your help!!
    I was away for a while so haven't yet set things up.... but another question...!!
    The old G3 has OSX running on it with OS9 partitioned. How should I erase everything and just have OS9 installed on that machine?

    PS- How is Arnie doing??

    javascript:smilie(':p')
     
  6. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Welcome back. If the G3 boots in OS 9 from its partition, it shouldn't matter that OS X is in another partition. You could reinstall OS 9 cleanly, and reinstall any drivers or applications you use with your film scanner, but I don't see why you would need to.

    Arnold said to say hi to you. If you need help removing any pesky robots from the future, just let me know and I'll get him on the phone.
     
  7. settledown macrumors regular

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    new idea?

    have you tried a third party scanner software for OSX? like maybe vuescan?
     
  8. Rowena thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Doc Q - It's a question of space. I loaned the old G3 to a friend of mine who I was trying to convert to MAC..... it looks like he has installed OS9 + OSX and OS9 from within OSX (does that make sense??.... perhaps only to robots from the future!) So I think I will just to a complet new clean install of OS9....now i it just a matter of inserting those 9 discs...?

    Settledown - I am running an old Nikon LS2000 film scanner.... as far as I know Nikon have not updated their software for OSX and have no plans to.

    Thanks guys!
     
  9. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Maybe there aren't really two partitions, but you are just seeing the Mac OS X "classic" environment, which runs OS 9 under OS X. But it doesn't matter. In either case, a clean install of OS 9 sounds reasonable for you. A clean install will wipe out all previous files on the disk, so be sure you have backed up any documents or other files that you created or modified and will need to put back.
     
  10. Rowena thread starter macrumors newbie

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    H E L P !!

    Are you fed up of me yet?

    How do I get this going!!!??

    I have the OS 8.5 Install CD (came with the G3), the 9.2 upgrade CD and the 9.2.1 upgrade CD.
    Where do I start?
    I think the hard drive is almost full.... by having both OS 9 and X installed.

    I need YOU Doc!!

    Rowena
     
  11. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Darn, I left my rowboat in one of my European vacation houses, so I can't row from L.A. to Perth and help you.

    If you don't have a (new) OS 9.x CD, I don't know that you can install OS 9 at all. Maybe you can install 8.5 and then upgrade to 9.2, but I suspect not.

    For example, you could recover disk space by deleting particular files and folders that you don't need. Or buy a new copy of OS 9, which probably doesn't cost much anymore. Or perhaps your scanner will work under OS 8.5 and that'll be good enough.

    Maybe another member here can chime in with the answers or another suggestion.
     

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