Conversion Suggestions

Discussion in 'Community' started by Macmaniac, Apr 11, 2002.

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    Macmaniac

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    I think we should put some idea together on how to convert people. Kinda like a guide to converting people to macs, and how to show how windows is bad. So start posting ideas!
    example: put a mac and PC next to each other and install the OS and show how the mac OS is so much better!
     
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    Mr. Anderson

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    One of the problems with that is getting people to see the PC and Mac next to each other. I like the idea of being 'Apple Missionaries', but we need to come up with something better than just show two machines.

    And it also takes a lot of time. You're talking about making some change their lifestyle, spend money, etc. Its not going to be easy.
     
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    britboy

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    For most people, it should suffice to prove that you *can* actually get things done on a mac. One of my flatmates has been using windows since Win3.1, and never tried macs because he thought you couldn't do as much on them as he could with his computer. Since i've been using my tibook, with more success than he's been having on his win2000 machine, his view's changed dramatically. When i told him is was 'just' a 500Mhz processor, he wouldn't believe me 'till i showed him the system profiler! His words: "this is the first time i've compared a laptop to my desktop in terms of perfomance".

    I guess what i'm getting at is that you don't need to do anything exceptional to convert people, just use mac day in and day out, occasionally show them some of the nifty abilities of our new OS, and drop in the odd snide remark when they have to re-install their whole system for the 5th time that month :D
     
  4. macrumors 603

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    My theory on comparing a computer with a computer NEVER lies with MHz as the answer.

    What really matters is the number of float-point operations per second. That means the number of cycles a computer can perform in one second.

    You have all seen my newest catch phrase (if not then here's your chance) :

    "In the time it takes to read this message, an Apple computer will already have performed 15 billion float-point operations more than a consumer PC."

    This is saying that Apple's top line computer, the dual 1000MHz Apple desktop model, can perform 15 billion cycles, or 15 Gigaflops.

    I still cannot remember the resource, but the 2.0GHz P4 can only perform around 0.3 Gigaflops. So I would say that such small increments in MHz for the P4 lead to small increments in flops in relation to Macs.

    My guess: 15.0 Gigaflops w/Macs
    only around 0.4 with the 2.4GHz P4.
     
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    chibianh

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    #5
    where would one be able to find these gigaflop benchmarks?
     
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    eyelikeart

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    maybe...

    how about hypnotism?! :D
     
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    krossfyter

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    well we have to go to strangers doors and bother them?


    :)
     
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    britboy

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    as long as you don't bring any jehova's witness stuff with you :D
     
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    krossfyter

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    #9

    hey...im not one anyways....in the organizational meaning.

    im a Jesus follower....thats it.



    i dont really dig that JW stuff anyways.


    ;)
     
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    britboy

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    sorry, that wasn't specifically directed at you krossfyter. Besides, i'm a christian too. I just have an aversion to having strange people with weird ideas turning up and asking to come in! :rolleyes:
     
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    krossfyter

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    nah i completley understand. i didnt take offense to it. its cool.
     
  12. macrumors 6502

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    Just Try it

    Heres my test for Mac vs. Wintels. U get a mac and a Wintel machine w/ any version (preferably XP since its the newest and greatest windows (ha)). Tell the person to wipe (not format or partition completely wipe) they're hard drive and install another w/ in 5 minutes (not including install time). Oh yeah and since the Mac doesnt have a floppy drive, the Wintel cant use theres. Results- Mac done in under 2 minute (if a newer mac), Wintel Machine- almost impossible maybe a few hardcore techies can do it but no one else can. Oh yeah as in relevency this is very relevent cuz very often computer will have what seems lika a fatal error or fixable with a new computer or a five minute task w/ a mac.
     
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    mac15

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    or show PC users thats the mac platform is basically virus free
    and you don't have to waste 200 bucks on anti-virus software
    and you spend that cash on RAM or something else
     
  15. macrumors regular

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    How many people can be converted when macs are so far behind. When macs catch up then we can talk conversion. As for the mac being so much better than a pc I beg to differ. I love my macs but can't sit back and listen to lies about pc's. I have had a dell latitude (PIII 650, 256 meg ram, win2k) for about 2 or 3 years now and it has never given me a problem. In fact it is much faster than my ibook (500,640 meg ram,osx) bought it six months ago. For that matter it is about the same speed as my tibook(550,1 gig ram, osx) in everyday tasks.So lets stop the pc bashing and ask apple to give us up to date systems. I converted my sister b/c she likes how the ibook looks. For us hard core computer enthusiasts we need more than looks. We need state of the art systems. I want a tower but will not buy until it catches up to the pc world.
     
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    Taft

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    Right...

    Lets put together a book with all of the ways to convert people. While we're at it we'll put all of the rules for being a Mac user in it. And the history of the Mac. No one questions the book.

    Then we'll have retreats in remote locations. We'll even start building retreats in close proximity to large cities to attract people from those cities. We'll get them out to the camp and make them read our book and watch movies on how Macs are great and PC are the way to true evil.

    We'll teach them Steve Jobs is the one true Master. Anyone who questions the word of Steve or of the Good Book will be punished.

    Then when we have performed all of our missionary work on Earth, Steve our Master will take us to the far away world of Mactopia on his Velocity Engine powered spaceship. It is a world without PC users and the promised land. That is the true reward for the truly worthy.

    So who's in??? We'll start having meetings this month. I'll bring the purple Koolaid.

    You'll love it. Its a way of life.

    Matthew
     
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    3rdpath

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    getting a little scary

    does a non-mac user need to be converted?

    isn't there a chance that whatever system they're using is just fine for them?

    i'm very happy with my macs***BUT***, they don't make me "think different" or be more creative or help me find the path to true inner peace......its a box that just sits there until i turn it on and tell it what to do.

    i'm all for enthusiasm but the faint aroma of scientology is wafting in.


    i think i'll skip the punchbowl, thank you.......

    :D
     
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    MacAztec

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    Re: getting a little scary

    Well, if you weren't "thinking different"...you probly would not be on this site. I know my macs helped me find inner peace :D

    No Mac is just a box, its practically a human. You have to treat it right, and it will treat you right ;)
     
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    teabgs

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    One thing to do is give them a windows machine and tell them to "have fun". They get the top of the line...with anything they want on it free. However, when it crashes, or gets the blue screen of death we take it back. Then give them a mac and do the same. When it crashes...we take it back....5 years later they're on their 3rd mac.

    Also, I want that punch. I dont want the whole cult thing...can I just come along for the punch and then be on my way?
     
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    Taft

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    You might not want the punch. Remember that cult that drank the punch to "off themselves" a few years back?

    Be careful what you drink, especially when it comes from from overly charismatic people. Whats that? Steve Jobs is giving free bottled water to all of the keynote attendees? Yeah, that sounds about right...

    Matthew
     
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    teabgs

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    True, but you only live once, might as well live it up! Doing anything that's potentially life threatening is so fun. I went skydiving this summer and it was the greatest thing I've ever done. I cant wait to do it again.

    Everyone should do it once in their life...so amazing.
     
  22. macrumors regular

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    Converting PC users eh?

    Well being one of the newly converted, try this next time you see a PC user whose system has crashed.

    You: "Whats happened?"
    PCUser: "Oh Windows has just crashed"
    You: "Wow I've never seen that before!" (needs to be convincing)
    PCUser: "What the hell? Never seen windows crash? What version of windows are you running?"
    You: "Mac OSX;) "
    PCUser: " Must be nice...:( "
     
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    Geert

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    Once again guys this is turning out in a Mhz myth.

    don't compare the HW, because that can not be messured.
    Show the quality of the product, apps, Aqua,...
    Tell them that intel/amd just make processors.
    that M$ just writes apps without spirit (give them any M$ apps' name and they'll agree)
    And then tell them that Apple not only develops HW, but also writes the apps that come with the machine, optimized to fit the HW (tell them that indeed (they like to be told that peecee has great things, but don't believe it) there are some truly great apps for peecee, but since they do not develop the HW they do not take any effort to meet the HW specs, because they don't care software developers and Hardware developers are in the peecee market for the money, they don't care on building a user friendly computer.
    and that is what differentiates Apple from the rest, A goes for friendly UI and not money, otherwise Steve would not have rejoined a company in need, he would have jumped on the money making peecee train. (the 'sucking the peecee user out for all his money, and make sure he curses a lot'-money train)
    tell them that every Mac that leaves the plant is build with love, and Chi (or what the heck is the word I'm looking for)
    and get Snapz pro X and turn your desktop into a movie studio, taping every move you make, run through iMovie, export to QT, I'll bet they never seen something like that before.
     
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    mmmdreg

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    I've nearly converted this one guy at school..he admits macs are better but keeps saying "uncompatible" because it cant play a few select games like halflife and its mods, ghost recon and operation flashpoint...whats something I should say to really knock his opinions over?
     
  25. macrumors 68040

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    I converted one of my friends a few years back by showing him my computer. He had a P3 300mhz w/192 MB RAM and was constantly complaining about how unstable and laggy the thing was. I showed him how much it was outperformed by my iMac 333mhz w/96 MB RAM. He never insulted the Mac again (unless he was trying to be annoying).
     

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