Core Image Compatabilty

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  1. TheWitePony macrumors regular

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    I've been trying to figure out if Core Image will work on my Tibook. I can't remember what card I have, I believe that it is a ATI Mobility 9000 64MB. i don't see it on the list of compatible cards that Apple provides.

    Supported graphics cards:


    ATI Radeon 9800 XT

    ATI Radeon 9800 Pro

    ATI Radeon 9700 Pro

    ATI Radeon 9600 XT

    ATI Radeon 9600 Pro

    ATI Mobility Radeon 9700

    ATI Mobility Radeon 9600

    NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200

    NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra

    You think I will be able to run Core Image?? I really hope so...I just got my Tibook last year and would hate to start being left behind in new tech this soon. :(
     
  2. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Probably not. And if it does you might not get "all" the features.

    Doubtful this is a fast enough card/bus problem like Quartz.

    This is more likely a case of the new framework taking advantage of card/driver features on these cards.

    Edit -- "The performance gains and features supported by Core Image ultimately depend on the graphics card."
     
  3. Dr. Dastardly macrumors 65816

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    You might not be able to take full advantage of it. But as far as not being on the list neither is the 6800 ultra. :p ;)
     
  4. FightTheFuture macrumors 6502a

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    if its a 2002 powerbook 867/1ghz, then your right about your card. you can check your system profiler to double check. i wouldn't feel that bad though. you didn't "just miss out" cause the revisions after your machine still aren't core-image ready - the rev.A 12" ALbook has an NvidiaGeForce Go 420 and the 17" the 440. the september 2003 released rev.B 12", 15", and 17inchers are the only ones compatible apparently.

    based on the new Tiger features i'm feeling its time to invest in a G5.
     
  5. ravenvii macrumors 604

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    I'm wondering... will it work on my iBook's Radeon 7500 Mobility?

    :D :p ;)
     
  6. Dr. Dastardly macrumors 65816

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    I don't think that not having this feature will really hinder your Tiger experiance. It seems to be a cool feature but you don't have it now and your not really missing anything except for a little extra bit of eye candy that will probably get old after a while anyway.


    There, do you feel better now? ;)
     
  7. titaniumducky macrumors 6502a

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    I have the same machine bought at the same time (approximately).

    The Mobility 9000 doesn't fully support Core Image, but from the site, Core Image will scale down to fit the video card.

    Core Image needs a graphics card powerful enough to handle pixel-level programming; unfortunately for us, only the latest cards support this. However, Apple's site says:

    "The performance gains and features supported by Core Image ultimately depend on the graphics card. Graphics cards capable of pixel-level programming deliver the best performance. But Core Image automatically scales as appropriate for systems with older graphics cards, for compatibility with any Tiger-compatible Mac.

    Hopefully that means it will work well enough for us to at least see the effects put in by Apple and 3rd party developers. Oh yeah: it'd be great if we could also take advantage of some of them in iPhoto/Photoshop.
     
  8. zakee00 macrumors regular

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    by the looks of those cards, core image takes advantage of the pixel/vertex shaders. thats very impressive, XP dosnt. longhorn will, but thats in like 2007. shows that apple pwns M$ :D lol jm
     
  9. Darwin macrumors 65816

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    We may not be able to make use of these features but remember that this shouldn't slow down the OS experience too much in terms of speed

    Got a Cube G4 here and thanks to Panther it works even faster then before so hopefully the system should get faster even without the graphics help

    But I must admit that don't like to miss out on some of these cool effects :(

    Mind you still got a long time to be worring about that :)
     
  10. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    I was at WWDC and asked the speaker about this after the presentation about Core Image. What he told me was:

    Any video card that includes pixel-level programming supports core image. This includes the 6800 (even though it isnt on that list), and should support every future video card. Also, if your video card does not support this, it does NOT mean you cannot use the core image technology. If you have an incompatible video card, core image uses your CPU as a fallback. This DOES mean that core image will run more slowly than if it used your video card (and if you have a slow processor, it might run VERY slowly), but you aren't excluded from using it really.
     
  11. FightTheFuture macrumors 6502a

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    i think we're all bouncing around the execution of core image. its not like quartz extreme right? its only for applications that can take advantage of the gpu. so an app like photoshop can render filters through the gpu faster, instead of relying on memory or the cpu. i'm not that tech savvy but i'm sure thats what the demonstration was emphasizing.

    therefore, none of the interface stuff that happens with tiger is going to rely on core-image. thats all still quartz extreme. i'm sure thats all theWhitePony wanted to know - if he can do hardcore filters and effects faster. and it looks like you can, but not at the full advantage of having an ati 9600 or an nvidia 5200 could give. but it'll still depend on the developers to implement this into their products.

    actually, i'm probably wrong about all of this, so please correct me if thats the case. :confused:

    a bit off topic with the eye candy in tiger, i'm sure we'll all have that wow factor for about 10 seconds, then it'll be back to turning off dock animations and changing the minimize back to zoom. just make sure you know how to turn them back on to show off to your friends.
     
  12. yamabushi macrumors 65816

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    Well, the benefit of Core Image seems to be that you won't need to turn off eye candy. Really it's just taking advantage of the relatively untapped processing power present in modern graphics cards. Therefore disabling effects that take advantage of the GPU would only be advantageous if you have an outdated graphics card. Effects that do not use the GPU are another matter.
     
  13. titaniumducky macrumors 6502a

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    Actually, from what I understood, Core Image is relied on for certain eye candy (such as parts of DashBoard).
     
  14. Darwin macrumors 65816

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    Thats what I thought too :confused:
     
  15. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    That's true, but it's also more than that.
     
  16. BakedBeans macrumors 68040

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    how good does core image look...i take it it is free with tiger???
    along with core video???

    i might take another look at the wwdc stream just to see the features again...
     
  17. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    There seems to be some confusion about what Core Image is. Ofcourse it is "free with tiger" but it is not some sort of application or even extension, it is actually a part of the operating system.
     
  18. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    You post still doesn't help me learn how to write a program to take advantage of these API services presented in the Core Image/Video frameworks. :(
     
  19. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    Sorry, I sat through a presentation, but graphics and such aren't my field, so I couldn't really tell you. :(
     
  20. TheWitePony thread starter macrumors regular

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    "therefore, none of the interface stuff that happens with tiger is going to rely on core-image. thats all still quartz extreme. i'm sure thats all theWhitePony wanted to know - if he can do hardcore filters and effects faster. and it looks like you can, but not at the full advantage of having an ati 9600 or an nvidia 5200 could give. but it'll still depend on the developers to implement this into their products."

    This is what I was inquiring about, I don't really care about the filters in Photoshop and whatnot. I was worried about it being used in system-wide effects. And from what it looks like Core Image is being used in some of Dashboard. Oh well. It is nice to hear that it might be scaleable, that it won't use the GPU it just might switch over to the CPU.

    I wonder if Apple is thinking of building anymore Core Image components into the interface, cause right now I don't see myself using Dashboard all that much. Which really wouldn't be a loss for me then.
    :rolleyes:
     
  21. Threnody macrumors member

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    'Fraid not. But if it makes you feel better, it won't work on my NEW iBook's Radeon 9200 Mobility, either! :rolleyes:
     
  22. sockeatingdryer macrumors regular

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    It still doesn't make sense that 2 of the only 3 models that are currently shipping (and that are selling the most *coughemaccough*) won't take full advantage of the next OS revision only a few months away.

    Like, WTF, mate?
     
  23. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    1: By the time Tiger is in full swing, most macs may well support Core Image
    2: It's not like Apple decided "we don't like iBooks, they cant take full advantage of Core Image", they just happen to use low end video cards, and the low end video cards of today don't allow pixel-level programming
     
  24. nuckinfutz macrumors 603

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    Hmmmm interesting thread.

    I have seen frustration from some people about the lack of Core Image support in recent eMacs, iBooks and iMacs. What we mustn't forget is that pixel level shading features are VERY new to the graphics world. This technology has just hit the market in that last few years and it's taken a bit to "trickle down" to the lowerer end units. Many of todays current games don't support the shader functions that are present in todays midrange and upper level cards.

    Core Image doesn't look any different than what you're seeing today. What Core Images does is utilize the GPU to processing effects in real time that would take many CPU cycles. So you are likely to see Core Image manifest itself in many different ways in Tiger. iMovie will speed up drastically because most of iMove is waiting for effects and transitions to render. iPhoto can process effects on your photos now, if Apple chooses, with blazing speed. Quicktime will use Core Image. You will see many other effects crop up also once Tiger ships since Image and Video units are programmable via the SDK.

    So in short those with a GPU that supports Core Image will now suddenly be able to processes video as if their computers was much faster. Now that you GPU is processing these effects I presume that your CPU will be able to put most of its attention towards running other parts of the app. I'm really excited about this technology but it goes to the heart of what what slows our computers down. Remove that barrier and it becomes feasible to do so much more with Images and Video in applications because the CPU "hit" isn't severe.
     
  25. BrianKonarsMac macrumors 65816

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    edit: sorry...i failed to read.Thanks NuckinFutz, I needed that :D.
     

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