I don't know guys, but would it be hard to create our own MR browser? a cocoa based browser, that works fast, looks nice, has all build in functions that the others have (so that you do not have to switch to IE for a plugin that only works with IE. It will be some hard work I guess, but seen the fact htat most of us posting here are familiar with Apple and X. (So we know what a cool browser should look like at least) Let's say that we would start such a project, and implement everthing all of us like. And making it the best browser yet, and then sell or give Apple our selfmade browser. (And certainly sell to wintel site making it buggy as IE is buggy to us ) I have to admit, i don't know how such a project is started, but love to give it a try, since all browser I came across did not fullfill my surfin needs.