"Cyberpower offers Pure Sinewave UPS alternative" - finally a cheaper UPS solution?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Icaras, Oct 2, 2010.

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    Icaras

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    Here's some breaking news (just today) from Cyberpower concerning their just released PFC UPS models which uses their new "adaptive sinewave" technology.

    I figure this will be of much interest for many of us that have been constantly going at it at the various UPS threads debating constantly over sine waves and buzzing noises (Macrumors forums at it's finest :D)

    Here's the link to Cyberpower's article, which then links to the real article: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/ab...rs-channel-pure-sinewave-ups-alternative.html

    Here's the link to the whole article by CDN: http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/cdn/News.asp?id=59349

    Here is the link to the 1500va model on Cyberpower's site for those that are interested: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP1500PFCLCD.html

    Here's an excerpt from the article:

    I'd like to think pricing has a lot to do with much of the debate that goes on concerning pure sinewave UPSes, even though it may not be spoken much. This article actually came at a funny time because I just shot an email to CP yesterday inquiring about the new PFC models and if these are meant to be the appropriate type of consumer UPSes for the Mac Pro and received this reply:

    Now of course, I understand that any company will want to sell you their product, so such email replies received by vendors should always be taken with a grain of salt. Also, I tried searching for any type of user or press reviews for these units and it seems these new PFC models are so new in fact, that they were just added to Amazon's inventory only just last month, and are still largely unavailable for sale. So it seems none of these are out yet in the wild. At least not long enough to see some user reviews. Here's another email reply from Jeff at CP regarding reviews:

    However, referencing page 6 of this thread: Uninterruptable Power Supply threads? by Ravich, in post #134, w00tini observed adamant promotion by Cyberpower in Newegg's AVRLCD user reviews to actively inform customers of their new PFC UPSes with adaptive sine wave technology for high end machines like the Mac Pro.

    Here is a direct link to Newegg's user reviews for the Cyberpower CP1500AVRLCD model, as pointed out by w00tini in the above mentioned thread: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...yMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

    You'll be able to see CP's active role in customer interaction here, mentioning their PFC lineup on several ocassions.

    Though I have been unsuccessful to find a proper white paper or get an adequate concrete answer from AppleCare on the Mac Pro's exact PSU specification, I believe a PFC PSU is part of the Energy Star 5.0 rating, according to Cyberpower at Newegg, and also based on more internet forum ramblings, which the Mac Pro is rated as. Take that as you will. If there is some common knowledge that is properly documented out there concerning the Mac Pro PSU confirming it to be a PFC, then please feel free to share any findings.

    So I just sent back my CP1500AVRLCD to Amazon due to a relapse in indecisiveness, but my interest is now piqued for new PFC these models. I'm personally hoping these will work as promised, provide less stress for the PSU while on battery, and finally get rid of that pesky buzzing sound. If anything, CP covers up to $425,000 compared to APC's $150,000 for their comparatively specced Back-UPS BR models. Like w00tini, I think I'll be ordering one and see how it works and try to report back as well.

    It's worth noting that this seems to be the very first consumer UPS product designed to work with PFC PSUs without the use of a pure sine wave. So I am curious as how fast and in what way will competitors react to these new products, assuming of course, this stuff actually works and isn't just more marketing baloney :rolleyes:

    So I ask: any thoughts on this development?? Anyone think that this could be a big step in UPS technology?
     
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    All I can say is that I'm very interested. But dunno when or where I'll be finding them in Australia.
     
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    bought this one a few days ago... should arrive Wednesday.

    i will do a full review with video once i get a chance to get it all setup.
     
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    that APC unit looks good on paper (pure sinewave) and should do the job for the most part. are there any reviews of it online?

    the customer reviews look pretty good. looks to weigh over 80lbs though. i wonder what the fans sound like.
     
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    Video review?? Nice! I'm getting impatient myself and might go ahead order this today...

    As for the above sine wave unit, I think if cost is a small factor and if you intend to use the UPS to continue work while on battery, then you're still getting the purest energy in a sine wave form unit. You certainly can't go wrong with that.
     
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    Thanks for that info. For those in the US, Amazon has these models listed well below MSRP. Haven't checked too many sites, but it seems to be one of the lowest prices.
     
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    they were not in stock on amazon when I looked. the scheduled ship date was oct 25. Thats why I went with newegg
     
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    Good point. Amazon is hosting a sale through another company that seems to have them in stock. Not much difference in price from newegg so you made the right call. Looking forward to your review :)
     
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    So Icaras, do you have a buzzing PSU, too? I thought dissolve and I were the only two buzzers here :D I noticed that when using the sliders in Lightroom, the power supply's buzzing sound increases. What does this meaaaannn :D I think there are angry bees in our Mac Pros :rolleyes:
     
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    The CP Pro series have significantly better specs (at each Wattage rating) and are only a little bit more $'s. You should look at both very carefully before you jump for either series.

    I've had a good experience with CP products and will purchase from them again. I'm on travel right now but will check the power usage of my MP on Sunday and order a Pro unit with 2x the power rating.

    cheers
    JohnG
     
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    EDIT: moving to a more appropriate thread...carry on :)
     
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    Yea, it buzzed whenever I switched to battery, but it only then. I don't have a normally buzzing PSU by itself.

    Are you talking about their PFC lineup, or something different?
     
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    Greetings

    I'm referring to the PP series. CP has a variety of UPS's in this series and all of them are pure sine wave. Additionally, the surge rating and battery size is much larger than the "consumer' models.

    I just measured the power draw from my 2010 3.2 GHz MP (5770) and it peaked out at 235W when running 32 bit Geekbench. This was for a bare bones MP............... i.e. no additional HD's other than the stock 1 TB. I'm figuring another ~25 Watts after I add the data HD's. My monitor is a 24" ACD which runs ~100W. Will also have an additional external drive which might add another ~100W. So, the overall power budget will be ~500W at full load (worst case). The setup will probably run more like 250W most of the time but you have to size the UPS for worst case conditions.

    Anyway, here's a link to the 1KW UPS which would provide 2x the power capacity of the WC condition. This is probably a bit overkill and the 700W unit would likely be totally sufficient even for a 500W WC load.

    http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/pp-series/PP1500SWT2.html

    Note: Provantage sells this unit for $273 + shipping which is ~$33 to Az.

    Cheers
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    Sort of have to think a second to see if you want a new pristine Unit, or a scuffed possibly dented refurbished Pure Sine APC 1400/1500 for $180-250.

    We've been telling people to step up to a used big APC Smart UPS, but having something in the range new might get them to step over to those.

    Since people would always like to be the first to fart in their $750-1000 Hermann Miller chair than buying used for $250-350. And the same holds true for soo many other products.
     
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    Assuming these new units work as advertised, it would offer an alternative. But I'd still go for a refurbished unit that outputs a pure sine wave, as the new CyberPower series in question is still a compromise vs. pure sine wave. Period.

    So those in the market for a UPS, please don't forget that. ;)
     
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    it's here

    [​IMG]

    will get it setup and report back...
     
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    Sweet! Looking forward to it :)
     
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    I just got mine from Vanns and posted a review.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1026043
     
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    cool man! i thought those fans would be audible considering the vents in the side of the unit. still, that thing's a hoss and to only hear the fans under battery power is cool.

    i'll be banging out some thoughts on mine tonight. stay tuned...
     
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    life popped up tonight... wasn't able to do any video but here's the skinny:

    Works flawlessly. Jumped into 'test' mode where it runs on battery and it reported ~19 minutes of juice running a Hex-core MacPro, 4 hard drives, and TWO 27" Apple Cinema Displays!

    No buzzing on battery and just a barely audible fan increase on the UPS.

    It's awesome. I'm so happy this worked out.

    I'll try to get an iPhone video up tomorrow. It's really nice.
     
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    Yay, no buzzing :) Thanks for posting your impressions so far. I'm guessing the no buzzing noise indicates that the adaptive sinewave technology is actually working, as promised, but only time will tell obviously.

    I look forward to your video whenever you can. I've already placed an order at Amazon but seems like it won't ship for a few weeks.
     
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    Has anyone stumbled across an output waveform of CyberPower's "Adaptive Sinewave?"

    Just curious.
     
  24. macrumors G4

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    Sounds good. :)

    If you would, keep a sharp eye on it, and let us know how it goes (see if it's consistent over time). ;)
     
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    After reading through some of Cyberpower's tech specs, I noticed their "Green UPS technology."

    Does this mean you'd need a voltage regulator as well, or would the system switch on during a power sag or spike? I'm talking about slight variations in power, not the large surges or full brown/blackouts. Any ideas? Do other UPS systems do the same thing?
     

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