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Discussion in 'MacBytes.com News Discussion' started by MacBytes, Oct 17, 2004.

  1. macrumors bot

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  2. macrumors 6502a

    #2
    Score one for MacRumors members - mature, intelligent, etc :cool:

    But it's a shame that a foul-mouthed minority of "others" prompted Kantor to write the article in the first place.
     
  3. Moderator

    Nermal

    Staff Member

    #3
    Yeah, it's disappointing.

    I use my Mac every day, and I often use Windows. While I do consider the Mac to be better, I don't try to force everyone to buy one - I understand that they're not for everyone (eg. gamers, people with a small budget, people with a large amount of Windows-only software). To scream at a news article just because you don't like it doesn't help anyone - in fact in this example I think it causes harm :eek:
     
  4. macrumors regular

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    Hoist me up onto my high horse

    It is a good day to be a macrumors regular. I started off not enjoying the article too much, as was pretty astonished by the absurdity of the comments he received in the emails from "mac enthusiasts". That kind of attitude towards an informative artice is not the way to win over windows users. Think Different, Not Dilinquent.

    But the second hald was very enjoyable. A big congrats to all us (or most of us) mature, intellectual and rational macrumors devoted. Although, in some of the heated threads, it would be hard to draw a comparison between the praise he gave for macrumors members, and the comments being posted.
     
  5. macrumors regular

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    GO US! GO US!

    we way rock........ i like this mature thing :)

    SUCK ON THAT MDN..........

    i meen....... were high above you, i shall say nothing to u cretins!
     
  6. macrumors 601

    Diatribe

    #6
    Awesome article. I liked that part...
    Nice comparison.
    But seriously though, this maturity is the exact reason why I am here and not anywhere else. Hope it stays this way.
     
  7. macrumors 68000

    SilvorX

    #7
    same here, actually when I first joined here 2+ years ago, there was a few members (now long gone hopefully) who were major pains in the neck and treated everyone "dumber" than them as basically n00bs, even me although I've been using macs since i was a little kid... even though I only got my first mac 2 years ago.

    i wish some mac users weren't as big of jerks as they are, all mac fans have to defend apple once in a while but when the original article came out.. it seriously got out of hand... some people... thankfully there's no/very few jerks like that here :)
     
  8. macrumors Core

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    ditto...

    if it wasnt for this comunity i wouldnt have been able to switch successfully to Macs in the past couple of years, and this awesome community is the reason why i keep coming back to Macrumors.com each day, there is always something interesting going on, and you dont have to deal with the rudeness of most people...
     
  9. macrumors G5

    nagromme

    #9
    The Mac forums scale

    Of course it's always the rude who stand out from a good growd, so nobody should take this the wrong way.... but I tend to think of forums.MacNN.com being at the "frothy" end of the scale (but large and very useful), forums.MacCentral.com being at the reasoned and friendly end (but small), and MacRumors being in the middle.

    I tend to post here more lately since rumors are more fun to discuss than news :D
     
  10. macrumors regular

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    When I first bought my ibook, and looked around for a few mac sites/communities, I stumbled on macdailynews, and was really scared.. I was really scared most mac communities would be like this. Aggressive, paranoid, retarded,.. I almost couldn't believe my eyes, "is this for real?, this must be a parody of all the cliches about religious mac users right?"

    Thank god I found sites and forums like the ones of MacRumors/MacBytes and Ars.Technica. (and a local mac-community)
     
  11. macrumors 68000

    Sharewaredemon

    #11
    Could anyone PM me the writers email,
    i was ashamed to read this article at first, it really saddened me to hear of people writing him these emails. Sigh....


    Anyway, I was so excited when he mentioned in the second half Macrumors, I haven't been browsing this site for a year yet, but it is the only mac rumor/community site i go to. It just so happened that one of my friends who was a recent switcher told me about it.

    Kudos to macrumors for having such a great site, easy to use interface, and mature people posting.
     
  12. Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

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    I don't think that you have to worry about that. The mods might get some flak once in a while for cracking down, but its just to keep the peace. We also like it around here and try to keep it that way.

    Anyone need that crested blue blazer for the club, we'll be making it available shortly at the MacRumors store :D :cool:

    D
     
  13. macrumors newbie

    izod

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    Interesting Situation

    I remember reading the original article that elicited all of the response, and I found it really minimized the role Apple played in providing the core architecture for the project. It seemed like a lot of credit was being dolled out, with a definite bias against admitting that Apple had really contributed anything beyond simply "making the boxes" used.

    What I am getting at is MDN, although admittedly quite reactionary some of the time, plays a necessary role in the Macintosh community in rooting out (and rooting out quickly) such ant-mac sentiment that many tech media take against us on a regular basis. They have a front line approach of revealing and trying to correct this bias (or simply not tolerate bad reporting and misinformation of said media).

    I don't post here a lot, and I don't post at MDN a lot, but I do read through all of these forums on a regular basis, usually several times a day.

    I find it interesting that this author has essentially been able to write a biased article, received a lot of reader flack about it (both "good" and "bad") and has now chosen not only to whine about it, but separate two distinct segments of the Mac community and pit them successfully against one another - like one is better than the other for some reason.

    I put it to the readers of this forum to see that maybe the people over at MDN (while I wouldn't ever condone a bunch of profane ramble in a response to an article) shouldn't be looked down upon, but should be regarded as part of our extended family.

    Windows users don't get it - they wonder where the secret meetings are and what the special mac-handshakes is this week and are amazed at how tight and defensive we can get as a group sometimes. When we function as the "underdog" to a certain extent when up against such monolithic powers as Microsoft, we need to be vocal when we are wronged in the press.

    Apple is fighting a pretty crazy battle to stay alive (even though we have it pretty good on a day to day basis), and while the success of the iPod is a wonderful and happy thing (and I hope it will push computer sales), we have to be vigilant when the media spins stuff incorrectly.

    Please don't bash MDN for being a younger, brasher group than MacRumours is just because that author said so. The spin of the original article required a response, and that's what he got.
     
  14. macrumors 68030

    munkle

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    I guess we're a little more MLK in our approach here at MacRumors but I hardly call the following a response:

     
  15. macrumors newbie

    izod

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    I agree, however

    Yes, I freely admit that I would not condone such posts (see original message), but I'm sure of the hundreds of emails he got from MDN he picked the worst to exemplify...

    The very nature of essentially anonymous (no registration) posting at MDN gets all kinds of trolls and the like, but the dialogue is lively and very interesting.

    Again, I think Andrew Kantor is very biased against the mac (all the while "saying" that he is not), and both articles carried a spin against the platform and the community as a whole. All I am suggesting is not to allow him to divide the community against itself.

    He wrote a biased article, and had it been worded more carefully and been better researched (he does not defend the other points mentioned in the article or addresses it's spin in his response piece), he would not have elicited any response in the first place!

    Then, he counters by slamming the group that targeted the bad article. I think as a journalist, you should be open to criticism, and take a punch or two instead of essentially whining about a bunch of badly written emails he got.

    Over at MacCentral, an author might respond in the forum itself, but wouldn't write a whole other piece pointing a finger at specific group for correctly criticizing his piece (regardless of a few bad eggs).

    A bad judgement call, if you ask me.

    Mac Daily News has just posted a response to this new article (a pretty good one) and there will probably be another wave of crusty replies sent to Andrew Kantor - which are well deserved at this point. Will Kantor then reply with yet another article? Hopefully not...
     
  16. Moderator emeritus

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    That's the truth about MacNN's forums. No one really bothers to stop anything except in their distributed computing area, which is almost civilised.

    I like it here but things do get out of hand momentarily, although most of the influx of zealots from early this year is gone now.

    It's a shame that someone can't focus on the bigger picture without being shot for not mentioning someone's favourite computer/operating system. I suppose some people just don't realise that computers are not religious icons.
     
  17. macrumors regular

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    I read the article twice now. I didn't find a bias against Apple. The thing I noticed the most, that it wasn't like the other VT articles. The other VT articles were mostly reworded press releases. (like *allot* of articles out there).

    In this article the author actually went and talked to the guy in charge of the operation. And it made an interesting article, filling in the gaps the other "articles" so clearly left unfilled.

    It is important to note that it wasn't just Apple. There is a huge infrastructure needed to build a cluster, AC, power,.. It is also interesting to see *what* they actually do with the systems. I often left with the feeling after reading the other articles, that it was just a nice PR stunt from both Apple and Virginia Tech. The most that was said in those other articles was, that the cluster was used to do some science stuff. I found it interesting to get something a little bit more in depth than just "science stuff".

    Other than that, it was pretty pro Apple. That's right, the article was positive towards Apple. It was clear from the article that the decision to go with Apple, was technical (because of the IBM processor), and not just because of marketing or because the CS department at VT are a bunch of mac zealots. Best system technically and financially.

    And the last paragraph, where he said that the cluster was using OSX! Pretty important paragraph, if you know that there are still a bunch of people thinking the cluster runs on Linux. The article basically said that VT didn't need any mac-specific features. They didn't need the user-friendly Gui (they even disabled it!). They just needed a UNIX. The best UNIX for the system was Mac OS X, not any other unix like system (ie linux). I'm not sure how you can get even more *pro* apple than saying that Mac OS X isn't just a pretty face, but is a real work horse.

    MacDailyNews just is that black spot on the mac community. They are just a embarrassment to us all. I wish they would just grow up.
     
  18. Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

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    I'll bet there are plenty that do that still foam at the mouth when they perceive a provocation :D

    Even if he just showed the worst of the emails - that's bad enough, there really isn't any call for that and in most cases I'm thinking its just a case of immaturity and ignorance. Add to that anonymity that the web provides and you can hide yourself behind an alias and shout epithets from the tops of the mountains....

    D
     
  19. Moderator emeritus

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    You know how many posts you've had to edit and/or delete because the author was being nutzo. I've seen posts and letters that don't even make sense. Someone reads the title and if the article isn't what they deem to be consistent with the title, the author is an idiot or anti-(fill in your favourite computer system here.)

    I like my computers a lot and I consider Apple at the top of the heap for now but I don't idolise Steve Jobs anymore than I idolise Bill Gates. They're both intolerant screamers. :D Gary Kildall was much more civilised.

    Well, hopefully, in the future the faithful will learn to read and be patient.
     
  20. macrumors newbie

    izod

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    Really?

    Mr. Anderson, You don't detect a slight dig towards Apple there? Couldn't he have just left it at "They used 1100 G5 X-Serves"? It's subtle, but you have to admit it's there - the guy is impressed by the project, but isn't too thrilled that they are using Apple macs to do what they did.

    ...come on - you see it, right? :D

    He should not have written an entire piece because of the replies he got though - what journalist does that? Regardless of how immature or high-school those replies were... In itself, replying like this and pointing at the MDN members specifically is a pretty childish move...

    If he thought he got a sea of replies then, I shudder to think of the volume of replies Mr. Kantor is going to get now...
     
  21. Moderator emeritus

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    I don't see a dig at Apple at all. It's directed toward Mac zealots.
     
  22. Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

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    while it is a bit of possible taunting, I agree that its not aimed at everyone who has a mac - its aimed at zealots.

    I'm anti-zealot in general, whether they be mac, pc, christian, muslim, etc... and open mind is the way to go here and a little tolerance for peoples opinions. No matter what he said, it doesn't justify some of those responses.

    D
     
  23. macrumors 6502a

    Santaduck

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    hahaha. I wonder why mudbug didn't change the submitted title to something along the lines of something meaning: macrumors>MDN

    however i'm not sure if it's the difference in actual reader-communities, or the inflammatory content of the seed article that made the difference... although I must say I happily see very little flaming here at MR forums.
     
  24. macrumors newbie

    izod

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    Taunting it is... aimed at Mac zealots or not ("Mac people" seems more inclusive of all people that indeed have macs, but I'll let that one go), they will get a response.

    I am also with you on the anti-zealot side of the fence. It is the very taunting from Mr. Kantor that seems to indicate a PC zealot taking a subtle dig at Mac people in general.

    Anyway, although I am a little dismayed that he got some grade-school level, base messages, I'm glad he got hit with a response. In my humble opinion, I think he deserved it - further proved by this completely unnecessary "article" about the resulting fallout.
     
  25. macrumors G3

    iMeowbot

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    It's almost reassuring to see the Apple community carrying the torch on that last bit ;)
     

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