Dazed and Confused about MAC and PC Apps

Discussion in 'Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac' started by ChiMon, Apr 1, 2006.

  1. macrumors newbie

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    I'm a new MAC user as of Jan. '05. I'm currently setting up a business and would like to run it on the MAC platform. Unfortunately, a couple of the applications that are critical to the business are PC only apps. To complicate things, I have two offices I work out of.

    I'm currently working on a 20" iMac Intel Duo and am thinking about a MacBook Pro.

    It sounds like Virtual PC is not an option on my Intel Duo machine and WinTel and Q are not ready for prime time. Any suggestions on how I can operate immediately, while we wait for the emulation software to evolve stabilize?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    grapes911

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    Here are some options:

    1. Get a PC.

    2. Install Windows on your Mac.

    3. Tell us what software you are using and maybe we know some alternatives.
     
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    Steve1496

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    You know, with an Intel Mac you can run Windows XP natively, dual booting Mac OS X and Windows XP.

    http://onmac.net
     
  4. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    How can I run XP natively?
     
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    CanadaRAM

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    ...Not a responsible recommendation for a first time Mac user.
     
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    grapes911

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    Did you even click on the link?

    It takes some work, so don't expect it to be easy.
     
  7. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Sorry, I missed the link. I don't mind the work and long as it doesn't become a second job.
     
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    Steve1496

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    It sounds like exactly what he needs, so I was just trying to offer helpful advice. After all, it's not like he's eliminating OS X by doing this.


    Steve
     
  9. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for the link. This option looks perfect, however the instructions in the Wiki look very involved for a neophyte. CanadaRAM's caution makes me wonder if this is something I should try with my limited knowledge!?
     
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    Benjamindaines

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    It's probably not something you should venture into. Tell us the apps you need and we will let you know of Mac alternatives that do the same thing.
     
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    CanadaRAM

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    The solution involves hacking the firmware, is unsupported, and the OP already said they didn't consider other existing emulators to be stable enough.
    It also involves erasing all the Mac data on the hard drive and reinstalling after the new partition scheme has been installed.

    It may be something that an experienced Mac user can try if they have a non-mission-critical Mac that they are willing to erase and try this on. I think you assume that this new Mac user is unrealistically close to your own skill level and tolerance for risk.

    Precisely. I do not recommend that an inexperienced Mac user try this level of hack on their brand new Apple machine, when for $400 you can get a basic Windows box that will probably run the specific software you need.
     
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    Steve1496

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    It does look very confusing at first, but if you follow the Step-by-Step instructions, those are perfect for newer users. It basically consists of making an XP CD that has some modified files in it, setting a file to load when your computer starts, and then installing XP.


    Steve
     
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    Steve1496

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    In no way do you modify the computers firmware.


    Steve
     
  14. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    The software applications are professional Financial Planning software applications. I checked with the major vendors to see if they had MAC versions before I switched to MAC and unfortunately none of them do.
     
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    Benjamindaines

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    Check out Q (http://www.kberg.ch/q/). It's a free windows emulator, all you will need is a copy of Windows to install. It runs on Intel unlike VPC.

    --Enjoy
     
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    Steve1496

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    He already stated he doesn't consider Q ready for primetime yet.


    Steve
     
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    Oh, sorry I missed that
     
  18. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    My opinion that Q is not ready for prime time is based on other posts in the forum. I checked out the web site and it looks like a good and simple solution.

    What are the pros and cons of Q vs. running XP natively? Does anyone have extensive experience with Q? Is it reliable enough to use as a core part of a business environment?
     
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    Steve1496

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    Q is very good for being an alpha right now. It works fine for Windows XP/2000, but does have some odd little bugs that need to be fixed. The kqemu kext module is being developed and looks like it will be very good (kext is a virtualizer)--so expect speed to drastically increase.

    Running Windows XP natively, contrary to what CanadaRAM and Benjamindaines have said, is actually not extremely complicated. You cannot brick your Mac doing it, because you do not modify the firmware. The only real downside is video drivers not yet working so video and games are a little slow, but a huge amount of effort is being put into this. There are helper applications to make it easier too, such as XOMHelper (which automatically set the proper bootfiles for you).

    Steve
     
  20. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    One last question (I think): It sounds like running XP natively is going to be the best long term solution. If I purchase a new MacBook Pro and try to configure it to run XP natively, and I cannot get it set up properly, how hard will it be to re-install the original operating system so it is like new?
     
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    Steve1496

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    Put the CD in the drive and hold down the C button during startup. That will bring you to Mac OSX Installer, and from there is a fully graphical setup. You just click on where you want to install OSX.

    Steve
     
  22. thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I'll try it. Thanks everyone for your advice. I appreciate it!
     
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    Because XP on a Mac is so early in its development, perhaps you can find equivalent Mac programs to do what you want. Here is Apple's software page for business finance apps to download. There are complete shareware versions and also demos of professional apps.

    http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/business_finance/
     

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