Dell User - Just switched - install question

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  1. Heart Break Kid macrumors 6502a

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    Hello Everybody!

    Ok so heres the deal

    I just ordered my 17" Powerbook recently and i was wondering about how the Mac OS runs. Specifically with instaling programs. Is it similar to windows where if you want to uninstall a program you go to controll pannels and add-remove? Is it different? Yes for those of you who didnt believe I just switched, that question ought to make you. lol
     
  2. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    Installers can be either stand-alone programs written to install, they can be packages for Apple's Installer to open and install, or they can be disk images that you just drag and drop. Like, you download something, it uncompresses to a disk image, you drag the "X Application" folder to your Apps folder, and boom, you're good.

    as for deleting a program, just drag it to the trash.

    welcome to macintosh :)

    pnw
     
  3. Heart Break Kid thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    its that easy??
    no way

    so theres no add-remove progs
    or control pannel?

    i just have to throw the stuff in the recycle bin?

    thats kinda simple
    damn

    lol
     
  4. Beej macrumors 68020

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    It is that simple for nearly everything. Ususally there will also be a file belonging to the app you are deleting in your /Library/Preferences folder, too, but it won't hurt to leave it there.
     
  5. Kid Red macrumors 65816

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    No add/remove programs. If you want to remove it, drag it to the trash. If you want to install, there's 2 methods, one is that the app is self contained and will be in a mounted disk (usually says "Darg this to your applications folder"). The second is to double click on the installer (sometimes shown with "pkg" extension). That's it, follow the on screen commands, usually OK/Continue/Agree/Continue, etc just keep hitting the blue button.

    That's it. Most (if not all) apps will be installed in your /Applications folder. When you hate something, just drag it's folder to the trash :)

    Welcome aboad.
     
  6. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    not ALL apps can be deleted by taking them to the trash. some programs do fairly obscure installs, particularly something like gimp-print, or norton antivirus (haven't used it, but so i understand). most apps are that easily deleted, but there are a very small number that don't. the ones that don't remove that easily usually have uninstallers. the catch is, they are the installers. to remove such an app, you have to run the installer again, and when the customize option comes, tell it to remove rather than to install. this is the case for packages quite frequently. disk image installs though (the most common), as has been mentioned, you just drag and drop to both install and remove. you'll get the hang of things very quickly, after you start using OS X. it took me a few days to jump into the swing of things with my 15" tibook :). when in doubt with any program, just check the readme file.

    sorry kid red if i sounded like i was responding to you, i just quoted you to add on to what you are saying to the guy :).

    Welcome to the good side of the force, heart break kid.
     
  7. Les Kern macrumors 68040

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    I just wanted to add a few things.
    Never install Norton Utilities or Ant-Virus! Best to run from the CD or the application which is dragged and dropped from the CD to your Applications folder.
    A GREAT place for tech help is http://www.macfixit.com. Apple polices their tech site, Macfixit doesnt.
    Finally, welcome to Mac. You will find that other Mac users will go out of their way to help you, even to the point of doing research and follow ups. We live in a happy world.
     
  8. Rajj macrumors 6502a

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    Re: Dell User - Just switched - install question

    First off, you are going to be flabbergasted when it arrives!!
    System preferences is similar to control panel, but you can’t uninstall apps from there.
    I suggest that you go to a Mac store and play with one them to get use to it!!
    Congrads!! ;) :D
     
  9. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    Re: Re: Dell User - Just switched - install question

    that's got to be the perfect word for this. good call. it captures that sense of "the most normal thing to happen right now would be if this thing's lid opened and it ate me alive." it's going to be absolutely out of this world, man. my 15.2 was!
     
  10. Rajj macrumors 6502a

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    Re: Re: Re: Dell User - Just switched - install question

    Thank you, I guess reading the dictionary every other day comes in handy!!;) :D
     
  11. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    The only problem with running it from the disc is that you are running a program without the latest updates. Without the latest updates Norton has even worse compatibility with X then the latest version has.

    Best recommendation is to sell you Norton on eBay or use it for target practice.
     
  12. springscansing macrumors 6502a

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    Definitely. That ******* doctor on the box makes for awesome kicking.

    Not that I've ever needed any utilities to fix my mac running X, but if I did, I'd use Diskwarrior. It's a god.
     
  13. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    it is. i really like it.
     
  14. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    Bow to DiskWarrior and kiss his feet for he could be your saviour.:p

    Seriously DiskWarrior is the best disk repair program for OSX or OS9 on the market today or ever.
     
  15. springscansing macrumors 6502a

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    Diskwarrior has magically saved my dad's 7600 a billion times... and still is to this day. It will not recognize drives, freeze on boot, etc.

    Pop in discwarrior, run it once, restart, and everything is perfect. Well.. as perfect as a 7600 with a flakey G4 upgrade card and a semi-compatible ataptec SCSI card can be.
     
  16. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    have you heard about an update to it to make the thing run from OS X natively? i thought i read that was supposed to becoming the first half of the year.
     
  17. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    Yeah, I believe what I read was they said it would be out by March. They were apparently demoing it at MacWorld.
     
  18. springscansing macrumors 6502a

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    This posting is so fast it is practically chat, haha.
     
  19. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    yeah, macworld, that's right. that's going to be so cool. all the power and innate coolness of diskwarrior with the looks of Drive 10. lol
     
  20. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    I just wish they would add a Disk Defragger. I don't care what people say I know how much fragmentation goes on and when you are talking about 100s and 100s of thousands of files spread out across 80-200+ Gig hard drives this does slow things down.
     
  21. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    isn't that what plusoptimizer is? it comes with diskwarrior (at least, the one i bought after christmas).

    [edit] this really is like chatting! [/edit]
     
  22. Les Kern macrumors 68040

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    D'OH! Diskwarrior is the best to be sure in fixing directories. It's never failed me. I was just trying to warn of potential Norton issues if installed. Norton IS a good tool, however, in ridding my 750 machines of the macro viruses I have to deal with: Mellissa and MarkerA. They are annoying to our users, but pretty harmless on OS9 or X. (I lock the normal template so at least it doesnt infect new files) I use a 2-year old copy to sweep on occasion, but generally I'd PERSONALLY never update the descriptions. I did see somewhere where it's not really necessary to defrag a machine running X exclusively. Anyone hear that? I've never bothered, and have 10 X servers that have never even been rebooted this school year, and I have 1500 users hammering them constantly without issue. Okay I'm rambling. I guess for the ex Dell Dude, Diskwarrior for sure, Norton if you like adventure! IMHO.
     
  23. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    Sure does. I hadn't previously realized that it came with a program to defragment. I will definitely be getting it now as soon as they release the OSX dedicated version.
     
  24. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    I too have heard that you don't need to defrag. Needing and wanting to defrag are two different things though. Just because you don't need to doesn't mean that there isn't some benefits to it. As I stated previously on my system with 100s and 100s of thousands of files spread out over my 80gig hard driver there has to be a slow down because of it. Just think about people with larger drives they have to be even slower. Though this doesn't mean you absolutely need to. I believe in OSX no matter how fragmented the drive gets it will never be a problem in the since that it will cause lock ups like it does in OS9.
     
  25. Les Kern macrumors 68040

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    Okay, I'm continuing the off-topic, but here goes.
    If you installed Mac OSX into a UFS partition (what I din't make clear above when using strictly OSX), then defragmenting would be a waste of time since the unix file system handles file fragmentation just fine. If you have HFS or HFS+, you need contiguous space for movies and such or use a lot of Classic apps, then defrag. Norton is best if only for it's speed over Plus Optimizer.
     

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