Doubt over Kay's test-tube find

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  1. toontra macrumors 6502

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    It appears that there is now doubt over the authenticity of Kay's only find of bio weapons - a single test-tube of botulinum - LINK

    It seems that the (already embarrassingly insignificant) fig-leaf of respectability is in danger of being blown away!
     
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  3. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Who the hell keeps a vial of botulinum toxin in their refrigerator!

    "No hon, the milk is behind that vial of deadly poison on the third shelf"

    WTF???
     
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    Personally, I've found many things I suspect to be the beginnings of biological weapons growing in my refrigerator. However, I hasten to add, I have never actually put anything in there for that purpose. By the way, if my milk goes bad do I have to call the Department of Homeland Security?
     
  5. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    relax, that's your neighbor's job.
     
  6. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    Sorry, I forgot Ashcroft's directive.
     
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    All the doctors who treat old rich wrinkled women with BoTox treatment do!

    This is a pretty common "treatment", even if it's deadly... sick, eh?
     
  8. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Well, you'd be surprised what you find sometimes...

    My grandfather was a chemist during WWII and when my grandparents moved out of their house a few years ago we shoulda called a freakin' hazmat team. Mason jars full of mercury and various other chemicals that have probably been sitting in their garage for 40 or 50 years. :eek:


    Lethal
     
  9. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    -toontra

    Well, Botulism toxin is actually a big deal.

    It is the single most poisonous substance yet discovered by man.

    A single thimble full of pure botulism toxin (Botox is a coctail remember) is enough to kill every man, woman, child, dog, and cat on Earth.

    All you organic chemistry guys out there - it's in your text (well, it was in mine).

    It also difficult to manufacture - as it's produced in microgram quantities, and has a very defined shelf life.

    We'll see if this is the bacterium itself (bad enough, but not huge), or the toxin (Uh, oh.).
     
  10. toontra thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I never said botulism toxin wasn't a big deal. I was highlighting a press report about Kay's test-tube discovery.

    You obviously have some training in this area - what's your reaction to the speculation in the linked article?
     
  11. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    My reaction is this: If that is found to have a significant quantity of actual toxin, this would constitute a readily-deployable WMD.

    Most people think that deploy means firing a gun, well in this case, it's pouring it into a spray can and sprit-zing a food supply - just walking around with the stuff can be considered deployed - like plutonium, or VX.

    The toxin kills through ingestion.

    10cc's in the hands of a guy at a grain elevator and you'd be talking everybody that ate the bread product would probably die - especially if that bread is undercooked.
     
  12. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    That still doesn't constitute a strategic threat to national security, which is the only justification for a preemptive war IMHO.
     
  13. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    Ah, you're here too huh? :D

    Well, again I go into the law books. The article passed last year - as well as the ones way back in 1990 were in clear and blatant violation, and was written in that new resolution to do exactly what Bush did in invading.

    So, in law and resolution, he was legal.

    But do I think it was necessary. no.

    We should have given Hans Blix a lot more time - a lot more.
     
  14. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Oh I'm not claiming that the war was illegal, just stupid and unnecessary.
     
  15. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    Agreed. My apologies for seeming to overreact in my last post, it was not my intention to imply you thought it illegal.
     
  16. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    No worries. I'm just trying to draw a distinction between something like the Cuban Missle Crisis and Dubya Dubya Two. Soviet missles 80 miles from our shores is a strategic threat. A test tube of bioweapon is not.
     

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