Down With the Crown!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by cslewis, Apr 19, 2006.

  1. cslewis macrumors 6502a

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    http://www.republic.org.uk/

    Wow. Is there any serious talk about this in the UK?

    More importantly, d'you guys think this is a practical or good idea?
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    I would love to see the Monarchy go, but not until Tony Bliar and his cabal are pushed well away from the decision as to what replaces it.

    To give an example why, Tony came to office with a promise of reforming our Upper House of Parliament, the House of Lords. For historical reasons, the members of the House were made up of hereditary peers of the realm (Dukes, Earls and such), Bishops appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, & so-called Life Peers who are supposed to be nominated for achievements in public life, but in reality were either ex-politicians from the Lower House (House of Commons) who failed to win re-election, or business leaders who had "co-incidentally" given large sums of money to political parties.

    Now, anyone sensible with the task of reforming this would have started with a blank sheet, and built the new Upper House on a proportional representation system. If the new House had, for example, 500 seats, each political party nominates a list of 500 names with the people they really want in the House at the top, then gradually working down to people who are just making up the numbers. When there is a general election, the total % of votes a party polls gets translated directly onto their list, so if they get 30%, the top 150 names out of their 500 become members. In this way, the British public gets a fully democratic chamber to amend legislation whilst keeping a local member in the Lower House to bring local issues to, and as every single vote cast in the UK counts, people are more engaged in politics and turnout goes up.

    Tony, however, simply sacked most of the hereditary peers and appointed replacement Life Peers sympathetic to his political ideas, thereby ensuring that the most ridiculous legislation his Lower House majority passes now gets automatically okayed by the Upper House. Nice for Tony and his friends, but disgustingly undemocratic, and therefore bad for the British public.

    Which brings me back to what Bliar would do to replace the monarchy. He would most likely push that the President be directly appointed by the Prime Minister, make sure that all legislative power be stripped from the position, then use it as a political favour for his friends. So in conclusion, until not just Bliar but the entire current generation of politicians who think Bliar's methods are valid go, I'd prefer the Monarchy to stay. Only please when the current Queen dies can we not bypass the rest of the Windsors and give the Crown to someone else, and preferably not another bunch of inbred German halfwits?
     
  3. Benjamindaines macrumors 68030

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    Personally I don't want to see the Monarchy go... even if they have even less power (none preferably) then now. It would just be for the sake of tradition
     
  4. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Why does the monarchy need to be "replaced?" Why can't it simply be eliminated, assuming the cultural issues could be overcome?
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    I think we should keep them. But we should revive the old and happy tradition of sacrificing them every nine years, too. Keeps the vegetation healthy.
     
  6. Queso macrumors G4

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    Because we need someone to open the hospitals, and "God save the nothing" doesn't fit the tune :cool:
     
  7. skunk macrumors G4

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    Nor does "Nothing save the Nothing", but hey, we're all C of E, aren't we?
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Oh no! Does this mean no more Prince William and Prince Hottie...oops...I mean, Harry? :)
     
  9. calculus Guest

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    Let's make it the lottery prize that week.
     
  10. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    That would be the simplest way – unfortunately, given our current tastes in this country a Pop Idol-style phone-in show is more likely to happen.
     
  11. Temujin macrumors 6502a

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    The Monarchy attracts turists. No Monarchy => less turists => less money
    So bad idea.
     
  12. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    The figures would suggest otherwise. The UK is currently the sixth most popular destination of choice for tourists – and of the five nations that rank above us, four are republics (France, The United States, China and Italy – Spain is the only monarchy ranked in the top five).

    I reckon tourists would still flock to the United Republic to see the places where President Blair makes his important decisions. :cool:
     
  13. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Royalty is not nearly as interesting now that it's no longer quite so fraught with treachery, poisonings, leading the troops into battle on horseback, and public executions.

    Bring that back and you just may see a popular movement to reinstate absolute monarchy.
     
  14. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Oh, but you've all that royal sex, which sells ever so much better in the current market than the odd decapitation now and again.
     
  15. Peyton macrumors 68000

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    but how much does it cost to afford the queen and camilla's new out fits for every occasion, extravagant this and that, guards etc? seems like you're breaking even if anything :)
     
  16. skunk macrumors G4

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    You could always combine the two. There's a market out there for almost anything.
     
  17. skunk macrumors G4

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    Probably a bit less than your lot.
     
  18. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Neck-rophilia?
     
  19. floyde macrumors 6502a

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    I think The Beatles attract more tourists. Besides, it's not like we get to see Prince Charles on a zoo:p . What's cool about the Monarchy are the jewels of the crown and the castles and stuff. We'll still be able to see that even if there's no one left to use them.

    ooh.. and the guards, just make sure you keep the guards on Buckingham Palace :)
     
  20. skunk macrumors G4

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    "The Torso Formerly Known As Prince"
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Well, I axed.
     
  22. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    against wall,the monarchy(the whole lot of the parasites) and politicians both.oh hang on that would be anarchy wouldn't it.:D
     
  23. skunk macrumors G4

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    'E's 'armless, especially when 'e's legless. Wears a necklace.
     
  24. skunk macrumors G4

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    Unless it was a Koo™.

    Not a bad idea for a manifesto, though...
     
  25. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    I always thought Diana was the best of a bad bunch.Drug taking,personality disorder,OCD,completly irresponsible whats not to like.
     

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