Early look at Windows 8 baffles consumers

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    Which is how I feel and I've been using it a good while and have yet to shake that feeling yet.

    I'm wondering if hardware manufacturers are getting really behind Windows 8 on the hope it causes a mad rush for new hardware sales at retail (touchscreen monitors/laptops/tablets) rather than just sticking the OS on conventional hardware.
     
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    Not sure if it will spur the sales of new touchscreen items. However a lot of these OEMS depend on Microsoft for a majority of their revenue. Dell, HP, ASUS, Acer, Lenovo, etc...All rely on Microsoft for Windows PC. I think it's a bad idea that MS is basically forcing everyone to use a tablet OS. My fear is that Apple, and now MS are forcing all of the pro users out of the market in lieu of the consumers. I'm an iPad, and a MacBook Pro user so I believe there's definitely room for both, and not just one or the other. Interested to see how this transition works for MS.
     
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    My next PC will be a Mac Mini most likely.

    I like Windows Phone, and think RT looks solid, but Windows 8 PC does not look intuitive at all.

    I'm willing to try it, but turning a desktop machine into a psuedo tablet interface just doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    I'm assuming Microsoft gives the option to revert back to a standard desktop interface? Pro users, and people in business certainly can't "make do" with a touch only interface 100% of the time.
     
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    It works fine on the older desktop/laptop systems. However I urge users to go to Best buy now and play with the Lenovo Yoga and get a feel for Windows 8 shines on the right hardware.
     
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    People are just parroting other people. All you have to do is click on the desktop tile or hit win + D and you're back on the desktop. Most people hate it because they're lazy and don't want to do one extra click to get on the desktop.

    People are just too damn stubborn and can't adjust to any change. There is no progress if people don't want to change.

    Edit - Also the majority of consumers are idiots. These are the same consumers who can't distinguish between a Samsung tablet and an iPad, even though the box they bought clearly stated it was made from Samsung, not Apple.
     
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    Ah, the 'blame the user' theory of interface design.

    People hate it not because they're lazy (lol, huffing and puffing over an extra click), it's because it's unnecessary and gets in the way.

    You can have all kinds of progress without expecting the user to shed old conventions for no good reason (or for bad or weak reasons).

    Even if change is generally required for progress, not every change amounts to progress.
     
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    I agree, though I was basing my opinion on things Paul Allen said though I've yet to actually use Windows 8.
    http://www.dailytech.com/Paul+Allen+Calls+Windows+8+Puzzling+and+Confusing+Initially/article27837.htm
     
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    Another pretentious poster thinking they know everything and that everyone else is stupid. It's hilarious how many folks get so attached to a BRAND yet the same BRAND is not attached to them. How does it feel to be an unpaid cheerleader pretentious poster?

    If people don't like Windows 8 for whatever reason, get over it. It's all subjective.
     
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    As mentioned, there are ways to switch between desktop and the modern UI. But if you want to bypass the new style start screen entirely, there will be, and already are, several 3rd party tweaks to do this. This is the one I would suugest because the developer is well known for making good Windows interface modification applications:
    http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

    EDIT: Also, Modern UI (Metro) is not touch only.
     
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    Not that I don't find this video adorable, but I'm not sure that it's really all that helpful. His father has clearly taught him how to do all these things and obviously already knows how to use it.

    Compare that to my iPad and iPhone where both my daughters picked them up on their own and began using them without me showing them anything.

    EDIT: Also, I'm not knocking MS. I think it's very awesome that they're willing to try something completely new. The same goes for Windows Phone.
     
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    Apple themselves have called people idiots and that's why they pulled those new Apple commercials off the air so fast. But don't let that stop you from doing what you're doing....
     
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    I personally liked Windows 8 when I had it bootcamped on my Macbook Pro. I no longer have it installed on there, but I've been debating putting it onto my PC laptop.
     
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    No they don't currently do this. In fact it has had the traditional start style menu removed completely at the moment.

    There are third party workarounds, but I doubt corporate and office environments are going to be happy relying on a third party unsupported hack to make the OS look traditional.
     
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    OUCH, not sure that this will go over well with the enterprise. Not even sure if the gamers, and everyone else will be extremely happy either. Not everyone is happy using a tablet as their only source of a PC.
     
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    Well you don't have to use a tablet, but of course the metro part of the OS feels more natural with one.... It's when it switches to desktop environment that touch suddenly feels out of place. It's a strange dichotomy of Windows 8.

    Half is perfect for touch
    Half is perfect for traditional mouse / touchpad etc..

    Together they feel like a schizophrenic OS. In that way Windows RT benefits by not having a proper desktop environment.
     
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    He's right though.
     
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    Baloney, your daughters knew how to do the four finger pinch to get back to the home screen, four finger swipe up to reveal the multi task tray, and four finger swipe left and right to switch apps?

    Some things have to be taught. iPad usage included. Big deal. Windows 8 is incredibly easy and straight forward to use. To suggest that this video is somehow disingenuous because it is Windows software is itself, completely disingenuous.

    The hubbub over Windows 8 is indeed just a bunch of slow and stupid people complaining about having to learn something new. The young and open-minded will adapt quickly and get on with making things. The people who relentlessly complain will just end up looking foolish.
     
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    It's not so much blaming the user as calling people out for making a huge deal out of an incredibly small one.

    YOU MEAN IT TAKES ME TO THE LAUNCHER INSTEAD OF THE DESKTOP! THAT MEANS I HAVE TO TAKE AN EXTRA MOUSE CLICK TO GET THERE? OH MY GOD IT'S RUINED FOREVER THIS IS NOT AN OS SUITED FOR A MOUSE!

    ...oh, well while I'm here, I might as well launch explorer. Oh hey, it took me right to explorer on the desktop. Who would've thunk.

    It's not like the desktop as any different than it was before (sans start button), and it's not like going to the start screen suddenly requires you to drop your mouse and start stabbing at icons with you finger to select them. All things considered, it's a fairly minor difference.

    In fact, you don't launch any metro apps, and Windows 8 isn't much different from Windows 7. You don't have to deal with the metro style resizing or anything.
     
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    I like the new task manager and the graph that it shows whilst copying...
     
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    Wow...a post on these forums where it sounds like the poster has first-hand experience with the topic at hand to back up their comments! :p

    This is 100% correct. Designers have been attempting to blame end users for issues in their designs for as long as the GUI has been around.

    This is my problem with Windows 8. It feels like change only for the sake of change with very little progress actually being made.

    It's also laughable when technically competent people start telling me reasons why a completely non-technical user won't have issues.
     
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    I'm gonna double reply to you to show how big of a non issue this is.

    See, it only takes you to the start menu instead of the desktop when you first boot up your computer. How often do you reboot your computer? I dunno about you, but I'd say I restart about, maybe, once a month. Resuming from sleep or hibernation takes you back to where you last were before it went to sleep. That's usually the desktop.

    So, around once a month you have to do this.

    Boot up...

    wait a sec...

    Okay, here I am.

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    I wanna get on my desktop and open Photoshop. Okay, so I have to click the desktop tile...

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    ...which takes me to my desktop, then go allllll the way down here to open PS.

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    That's horrible design! One extra click! No wonder MS is a dying company!

    Or wait...

    I could just click right here...

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    ...and do the exact same thing with one less click! WELL HOLY HELL! THAT'S WONDERFUL!

    See, why do you need to go to the desktop right away for? What does the desktop do by itself that's so damn important? Usually the first thing you do after booting up is launch an application, right?

    ...which you can do from the new start screen.

    And that's why all this bitching, whining, moaning, and groaning is so utterly totally and completely useless and stupid. It is literally people acting like it's the end of everything they know and love simply because something isn't 100% exactly the same as it was before.
     
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