Embattled, Bush Held To Plan to Salvage Iraq

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  1. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    wash post

    the rest of the piece is about bush's surge/escalation/plan/whatever, and how it came into being, but i thought the quoted bit above was worth adding to the equation -- it's the first i'd heard that.

    i also found these bits interesting:
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    So even the Iraqi Government are against the escalation...I mean surge. Is anyone with more than half a brain actually for the idea?
     
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    Who does Bush listen to?

    Really, there seems to be almost no one pushing him in the directions he keeps falling.
     
  4. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Darth Cheney presumably.
     
  5. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    Bush is a arrogant knucklehead, If he was smart he would move the troops closer to the Iran Border to make sure they dont pull anything after he attacks their nuclear bomb making facilities. Iran has a WMD program. Move the troops to isolated locations and let Iraq fight their 1,000 year Civil war.
     
  6. Queso macrumors G4

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    So does the USA. How about he moves the troops closer to there?
     
  7. skunk macrumors G4

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    How about he just admits he's not up to the job?
     
  8. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    This is what I fear, His inability to do anything with countrys who have WMD programs is bothersome to say the least. His mismangement in Iraq has everyone questioning his abilty to tackle Iran or North Korea. My biggest fear is all the good generals & brains have left and so we have the brown-noser class who will be running the Iraq & Iran campaigns.
    Meanwhile Europe cant see the forest for the trees's, They have had Russia turn off their Oil twice, they are cutting deals with China while its shooting down Satellites, and they have a Iran who is a terrorist sponsering nation building Nukes in their backyard and what do we hear out of them?
     
  9. skunk macrumors G4

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    Russia hasn't turned off anybody's oil, it's been diverted by countries through whose land the pipelines run. China has as much right as anyone to shoot down their own satellites: the US may not like it, since they think they are the only nation which should be allowed to do anything in space, but that's just tough cookies. As for sponsoring terrorists, the US has sponsored Israel, the Somali warlords, and even sponsored the Taleban and Bin Laden once. Gotta have a balance.
     
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  11. Queso macrumors G4

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    I don't see the relevance. Iran has never made hostile gestures towards Europe, and EU member states maintain normal diplomatic relations. Even so, the EU has made it quite clear to the government in Tehran that their nuclear program isn't welcome, deciding that talking to the Iranians rather than threatening them is a better strategy.

    As for Russia, the way the EU is expanding its border eastwards says a lot. Sooner or later once their economy has reached a certain level, Russia may even be invited to join.
     
  12. MACDRIVE macrumors 68000

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    So is it the common consensus the GW is about to attack Iran? I thought some of us were still holding out hope that it wouldn't happen. :cool:
     
  13. solvs macrumors 603

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    Only a handful of people. Cheney, Lieb, McCain, a few others. Pretty much everyone else thinks it's a bad idea. Even conservatives who used to be for it. About 70% of Americans and a majority of the Iraqi people think it's a bad idea.

    We've already lost, it's just taking some people longer than others to realize it.
     
  14. takao macrumors 68040

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    it should tell _you_ something that europe isn't being involved in other world regions all the time

    that aside romania and bulgaria joined the EU just 3 weeks ago

    and the russian price increase for earth gas might sound harsh but those countries got gas and oil for prices which were internationally considered to be a joke
    gazprom wanted ca. 100 dollars instead of 46 dollars ... sounds a lot but on the other side western europe is paying 250-300 for the very same gas
    same before with ukraine and you can bet on it it will happen with other countries too
    if calculated up over the period of one year with the new settled prices (which are around 100 dollars for gas ) Russia is actually supporting Belarus with 3 billion a year, or 5 including oil
    that's 1/3 of the US budget for international development help or roughly the money the US gives away for building armies in allied countries in the middle east)
    yeah Russia is really bad, they only give a 66% price rebate now instead of 82% like before, OMG how can do do such a terrible thing

    about china anti satellite rockets: the US has those too.... except the US had them for decades: clean up in front of your _own_ door

    iran is hardly a threat for europe, what are they going to do ? invade europe ?, that aside they are surrounded by US "allies" (irak, turkey, afghanistan, pakistan) so i'm not surprised they are concerned about national security ...
    even if they acquired nuclear weapons to attack another country with a first strike, europe wouldn't be the first target ... it wouldn't even be on the iranian top 10 list
     
  15. bozigle macrumors regular

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    If that means not using force and jumping at every country that is a bit different... poor buggers of European... thinking that differences are not always problems... and problems have other solution than war and strenght... I pitty us little european and i envy US citizen sooooo much.(in fact i will not put all US citizen under the same label... but mainly your gouvernement).

    Where can i apply for a green card?

    bozigle
     

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