Entry level monitoring headphone

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    Hi, I am looking for a good entry level monitoring headphone for recording and mixing. For hardware, I have M-AUDIO FAST TRACK and AT2020. For software, I have GARAGE BAND and PRO TOOLS SE. I always use GARAGE BAND and PRO TOOLS SE is completely new to me. I tried to play music on PRO TOOLS SE but it did not come out any sound at all. I assume it require me to plug a headphone directly to the FAST TRACK instead of my MacBook Pro. Thanks for everyone who is willing to help. :)
     
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    if I'm remembering my model #'s correctly the AKG K240's are a benchmark pair of studio cans
     
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    o, this looks pro. Have you heard about M50 from Audio Technica?
     
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    I don't know anything about ProTools (I use Logic and GarageBand), but you should be able to choose your audio output device (built-in or external interface) using System Preferences.
     
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    Beyerdynamic DT880 PRO, its really linear and mostly neutral.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind, you may already be aware, is that if you're going to be using the headphones during multi-track recording, they should be good "closed cans" so you don't get a "bleed" from the 'phones back into the mic and the new track....
     
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    I use GarageBand too and it works perfectly. I don't think ProTools would allow me to change the setting since there is only one M-AUDIO FAST TRACK option provided.

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    This is too expensive to me.

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    Get I agree with you, while I am doing the recording I barely hear my voice.
     
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    They are $100 entry level open back studio headphones. There are less expensive headphones but I wouldn't spend much less than that.
     
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    well the OP was looking for entry level, also I've not looking into the entry level much myself I have my Q701's for studio
     
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    Do you suggest me to buy AKG K240S?

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    I am new to the headphone so I did not expect too much. Also, I don't want to spend a lot. I have been looking for K240S in the eBay. They sell it at £99. I think it is overpriced.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AKG-K240-..._Headphones&hash=item564b061c64#ht_1008wt_956

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    Do you think ATH-M50 is better?
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audio-Tec...Headphones&hash=item1c1d43e47d#ht_2226wt_1141
     
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    It sounds like you need a closed headphone for mic recording and this is a open back headphone.

    I have the AKG K271 which is closed but is $250. The AKG 171 MK ll is closed and is $150.

    The Sony MDR-7510 is a closed headphone for $130.

    The Sennheiser HD-280 Pro sells for $100.

    I think any of the three would work for you and are well tested brands.
     
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    Yes, the ATH M50s are nice. Another headphone to consider is the Shure SRH 840, which is really good as well.
     
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    Thanks, I've seen the spec of 7510, it has a frequency response from 5Hz-40kHz, this is so impressive!

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    o, do you know the meaning of resistant that a headphone has? Does it directly proportional to the quality of sound? For high resistant headphone, I assume it need a better amp, isn't it?
     
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    Should I be looking for a closed back headphone? I have found Sony 7510, Sennheiser HD449 and ATH-M50. I haven't see enough reviews for Sony 7510.
     
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    It really just narrows down on the headphone. Usually, it should be fine. Most interfaces can power headphones with an impedance of 300 ohms.

    Also, just to add on frequency response. I wouldn't find it ideal to base how great a headphone is based on frequency response. Every headphone's sound is determined by its drivers. I own the Sennheiser HD 280 PRO, and I despised using them for editing/mixing as it is very recessive in the mids/bass. A decent studio monitor headphone, in my opinion, should be neutral and in a way, linear.
     
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    Sony 7506. It's industry standard.

    Do not pay attention to frequency response numbers-- they, along with all of the other specs given to you on a product page are largely useless for headphones.

    What statistical information is more important however, is actual measurements.

    http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-data-sheet-downloads
    http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/build-a-graph.php


    A bit of an insight on how to determine what's flat in headphone fr measurement. Since headphones rest right on top of your ears, a 'flat' response headphone should have upper midrange and lower treble rolloff to accommodate for hrtf. A good rule of thumb is a flat headphone should be straight flat to 500hz, and then have a gradual 10db diagonal slant down to 20khz. A little bit of a treble spike around 10khz can be nice to make the headphone sound more balanced and bring out micro-detail plus act as a sharpening filter to the attack and treble elements of instruments, but too much of it is a bad thing.

    Higher impedance just means it requires more voltage swing to obtain the same volume, and sometimes higher impedance headphones have large impedance spikes that can be 1-200 more impedance higher centered around 100hz than their average impedance, which if not properly powered, can lead said headphones to sound thin.
     
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    I have the Shure SRH440, it is nice for under $100.
     
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    Sony MDR-7506 $1100
    Sennheiser HD280 Pro $618
    Audio Technica ATH-M50 $1100
    Shure SRH440 $618
    Shure SRH840 $990
    AKG K172 HD $1280
    Which one has the best performance over price?

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    I have checked the graph and I found that Shure and AKG headphones has very low dB at low bass range, while others share similar dB. Sennheiser and Audio Technica shows higher dB at low bass range than others.

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    Might be a good choice as well.
     
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    Unless you're recording and mixing hip-hop or other sub-bass heavy genres, a bass rolloff isn't as troublesome as the graphs look-- especially if they're closed back headphones. Closed back headphones tend to have an easier time with low bass pressure than open-backs since they seal considerably better. If you were looking at some of the open backed Sennheisers like 595 etc, they have way less bass than their graphs show. The slightest bit of bass rolloff on a graph for a regular dynamic open headphone is hugely noticed in actual listening. It takes the likes of Planar Magnetics with their very large drivers (LCD2, HE-400) to give supreme bass extension for an open headphone.

    Also to note, if you want a beefier bass, the KRK models are very well received too (6400 and 8400) KRK makes well known active speaker monitors.
     
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    That is true, but its still best to not have a bass rolloff.

    Anywho, I do have to point out, since TMRaven mentioned Studio Monitors, its best you do not depend on headphones for mixing songs. It's always best to mix it on the flattest possible studio monitors. I'm not saying ditch the idea of having headphones, but don't depend on just using them solely.
     
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    o. Do you think KRK 6400 is better than ATH-M50?

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    Yes, I will take your advice. I think ATH-M50 is the most suitable headphone among them since it has a lower impedance, so that I can use it for my iPod Touch without amp.
     
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    I've not heard the KRKs in person, but others have said they sound quite flat and good. M50 is notorious for being a u-shaped headphone so it's not quite good for monitoring-- although this largely depends on the version you get. The older blue boxed versions are more u-shaped than the newer white boxed versions. Do note when I say u-shaped I mean accentuated bass and treble compared to recessed midrange. Not only that, but I found the M50s to clamp tight and get sweaty after only 10-20 minutes of use. I thought they sounded rather nice, but for mixing, you definitely want something that sounds flat, otherwise what you mixed may sound completely different on someone else's headphones or speakers.

    As far as getting an active pair of monitors for mixing, that'd be ideal, but I'm assuming you can't go that route because of budget constraints? Also note that just because a pair of active monitors is flat doesn't mean they'll be flat in your room. Some room acoustical treatment has to be done first to minimize room coloration, but the good thing is a simple treatment of all corners of the room and first reflections get rid of a good chunk of the problems. (Look up studio rescue on youtube if you want the most practical examples)
     
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    http://sunnyshophk.com/products/Audio-Technica-ATH%2dM50.html
    Is this a good one? I would like to use it for normal listening purpose as well. What would you suggest?
     
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    I have heard a lot of people saying that it need an good amp to run. Does it really need an amp? Do you think my M-Audio Fast Track can run this perfectly? I think I will just stick with my Sennheiser PX100-II when I go out with my iPod Touch. Also, I have heard people saying that SRH440 is actually more balanced and accurate than SRH840. It would be more suitable for monitoring, isn't it?
     

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