Exit poll predicition: Arnold in/Davis out.

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  1. medea macrumors 68030

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    "CNN projects that California's electorate will recall Democratic Gov. Gray Davis and choose actor-turned-politician, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger as the state's next governor, based on statewide exit polls.
    Despite recent reports that Schwarzenegger allegedly groped and sexually harassed at least 15 women, CNN exit polls showed that roughly 47 percent of female voters backed the Austrian-born actor. Men voted heavily for Schwarzenegger, according to these exit polls.
    A whopping 72 percent of those who voted Tuesday said they disapproved of Davis's job performance, according to the exit polls, with only 27 percent giving the incumbent a positive approval rating. "
    Polls closed at 8 p.m. (11 p.m. EDT).
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/recall.main/index.html


    Crazy.
     
  2. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    Latest tallies:

    Yes- 57%
    No- 43%
    % of precincts reporting: 11
     
  3. Les Kern macrumors 68040

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    This country is screwed up. Can some please tell me exactly when we went from sick to insane? Don't even get me started on why I believe this is a travesty.
     
  4. SoonToGetAMac macrumors 6502

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    I can't believe this! Although only 17% precincts are reporting, this is really depressing if Arnold is the new governor.
     
  5. Doctor Q Administrator

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    A large exit poll is likely to be more accurate than the early vote tally, because the early tally usually has a large percentage of absentee votes, and absentee votes tend to come from the more upscale voters, who tend to be more conservative. We'll see.
     
  6. jasylonian macrumors regular

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    depressing?

    what's more depressing than a $38,000,000,000 deficit with high unemployment? gray davis was depressing with his "wait and see" approach, his pay-for-play administration, constant lies about his "handling" of the economy, size of the budget deficit, signing of a bill to give ILLEGAL immigrants driver's licenses in order to win the votes of LEGAL immigrants, and.... Sure, Schwarzenegger may not be the most intelligent man on the planet, but politics has never been and never will be about a single man's intelligence. He has a political staff that is good enough to win an election for Republicans in an overwhelmingly Democratic state and obviously has some knowledge of the issues at hand. I can't wait until the Democrats start clogging up the attorney general's office with their whiny lawsuits and the "Reverend" Jesse "I enjoy making bastards" Jackson starts sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. If people can't read the back of their sample ballots to find out where their polling location is, they shouldn't have the right to vote. Democracy won today. Get over it. Ya, I know this probably doesn't make much sense, but I'm incredibly annoyed with all you pansy whiners complaining about Repubs in the Governor's Mansion.
     
  7. CMillerERAU macrumors regular

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    (at the risk of being flamed into oblivion) here! here! jasylonian!
     
  8. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    As of right now, the porn star is 11th, with 2664 votes...

    So, guys, are you going to start chanting for a recall like the fools at the Davis speech?
     
  9. Dros macrumors 6502

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    It is funny that Republicans are so quick to embrace a man that has engaged in non-consensual sexual activities while married when they had a complete fit over Clinton's consensual activities. Which were worse?

    Is this process really democratic? How come Davis couldn't be elected after a recall? He had (at one time, numbers will change) 44% of the voters wanting him to stay. It is possible that is more people than voted for Arnold. I don't know how it will turn out, but it seems really odd to me that someone could have gotten elected with fewer votes than wanted the original person to stay. Bizarre system.
     
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    You mean just like the democrats supported Clinton in the Paula Jones case ( which was non-consensual) yet the democrats are leading the charge against Arnold?
    In Calif. we have term limits. You can only be elected to the same office twice. Davis has already been elected governor twice so under term limits he isn't able to be elected governor again. Also it is the way the recall provisions in the state constitution is written ( which was upheld by a court by the way)
     
  11. CMillerERAU macrumors regular

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    I have heard a lot of talk about the things that Arnold did with women and I can see several thing that distinguish what he did from Clinton. First off, this happened a long, long time ago. What most people got upset over Clinton was that he did it WHILE in office. What Arnold did was decades ago. And I guess in politics it’s really a matter of the better of the two evils, a Republican with a tarnished image or a Democrat? I think most Republicans will choose the Republican, especially in Arnold's case. At least he came out and apologized instead of Clinton who danced around before finally apologizing (a very weak apology in my eyes). Frankly I would think anyone could do a better job than Davis’s administration. And since the only other leading Democrat was Bustamante, Davis’s right-hand-man, my next choice in line would be Arnold. Well after the stripper and the 100 year old lady of course. ;)
     
  12. Lancetx macrumors 68000

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    True enough. But what's also quite funny is that the same people who are now complaining the loudest about Arnold's alleged sexual past didn't have any issues with Clinton and his sexual exploits in the Oval Office or the Arkansas Governor's mansion either. As for which was worse? Well, ask Paula Jones or Juanita Broaddrick if their encounters with Clinton were consensual and see what they say...
     
  13. jasylonian macrumors regular

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    governors that should have been

    There is talk of Schwarzenegger getting more votes than Davis did in the last election... It's still early. Meanwhile, I would rather have had Riordan or Ueberroth win it, but Arnold took over. I also believe that people can change. While Clinton was sexually harrassing people in office and getting Monicas in the Oval Office, Arnold was settling down with Maria Shriver. Do I blame Clinton for anything? Well, I guess I got a little upset with him for causing a distraction, but other than that, he was a fairly solid president despite leaving GW with an economy that was trending towards recession. In 8 years, it's gonna happen. Davis, on the other hand... his whole administration has been one disaster after another.
     
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    Arnold promised to address each of the women's allegations when the election was over. Do you think he will?
     
  15. Dros macrumors 6502

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    Just as long as we both agree that both parties completely don't care about the morals of the politicians and it is just politics. I guess it rubs me a little more the wrong way when the Republicans do it with "Family values" so central to their ideology.

    As for the legality of the process, sure, fine. I said it was bizarre, not illegal. Term limits are to prevent someone from holding power forever, not holding more than 1 term and 1 year. Technically it may be right, but I'm just saying it is weird. Don't you think it could be strange that someone could be thrown out with close to 50% supporters and then someone else win with much less. It doesn't look that is the case here, Arnold will have similar support to Davis, but just that it could happen seems wrong.
     
  16. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    well then i guess this proves that only 57% of Californians are nutcases... as opposed to the 100% that everyone thought before. So arnold has already done good, i guess.

    at least we won't see the man in any movies for the next 3 years.

    pnw
     
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    I can't wait until tomorrow night's conan o'brein when they talk to arnold via stalite!!

    Good luck to arnold, who will have one hell of a task ahead of him.

    --Waluigi
     
  18. Backtothemac macrumors 601

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    Ok, everyone take a deep breath and read this slowly.

    THIS is not only a good thing for the State of California, but for the US as a country. It was the PEOPLE that voted in this recall, and they sent a message to the politicians. STOP SCREWING US!

    How can this be bad for democracy, when this is democracy in action. AND do not compare Clinton to Arnold. They are not one in the same. Clinton did what Clinton did, and that was that. As a republican I don't care what he did in his personal life, just don't lie under oath. Other than that, I can give a crap what Clinton did. And this is not the same, because this was smear tactics by a politician that has done this stuff in the past. Two days before an election. Please. That is a joke.

    Furthermore, I hope that Arnold does succeed. Maybe the rest of the jackasses that are in office will get a message straight from California. We sometimes don't have to wait four years to get you out. Thank God for this recall, it has once again empowered the PEOPLE to decide their destiny in government beyond a party line. Arnold isn't a "true" republican. I think he is a perfect republican. He is what I am. A social moderate, and a fiscal conservative. mcrain knows that i have called myself that for years here.

    Pro gay rights, pro choice, anti partial birth abortions, pro imigration (by the rules), pro national defense, pro small government, anti-taxes.

    Finally, someone with MY ideals is representing a state in this great country.

    I go to sleep a happier man tonight.
     
  19. jasylonian macrumors regular

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    hooray!

    hooray for moderate republicans! Now if only we could convince Doug Ose not to retire....
     
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    jasylonian and Backtothemac:

    Good to see people like me in this world, all I ever hear about is how liberal I am (from my conservative friends) or how conservative (from my liberal friends)! I too think Arnold is the perfect Republican, lets just hope he holds up to his promises.
     
  21. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Good luck California

    I hope that Arnie manages to do a single thing he has promised because California and the rest of the country are in bad shape economically. You can argue whether this is because of an uncontrollable down-turn or failed Republican policies, but no matter what we need a real and true governance and not the straw-man government of Schwartzeneger. What bothers me most about him is not his apparent groping and cheating (although I agree Clinton had the audacity to confuse sexual terminology and lie under oath, while Arnold immediately appologized), but his total lack of actual policy. He just says things that sound great, but I don't think he has any real idea of what to do. But, I believe the National GOP does. So, California is now beholden to the same conservative idealogy that runs the White House.
    Also, the Energy Crisis in California was caused by Enron. You remember Enron right? And the Republican links to Enron? Right?
    Arnold's environmental idealogy seems non-existant (fleet of Hummers, G-Wagons, etc.), he lacks any progressive thoughts, and he seems to believe that cutting taxes will allow the state government to have a better fiscal period (huh?)
    I hope the Terminator will be able to stand against the bad-parts of the Republican party and remain a moderate social conservative, but I have the distinct feeling that the Christian Right, the NRA, etc. will be asking for favors and will not go begging this time.
    So, while Davis was obviously a poor governor, I don't think you've traded in for a better one. I think this a lateral move to the right at best.
     
  22. Balin64 macrumors 6502a

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    Re: depressing?

    Those ILLEGAL immigrants picked the lettuce and veggies you ate today, as well as performed the most dangerous jobs in the country, a**hole. If you were from California you would not have that opinion. You, like most Americans, are so woefully misinformed about your own affairs it draws your intelligence and ability to observe your own sietz-im-liebe to a pathetic and irresponsible level. Yes: indeed: Democracy spoke today: look at another feckless leader you Americans "elected." Your unconcousness is no longer scary... it is alarming. Stop making excuses for your stupidity and ignorance: do you really not comprehend what happened today? A person you elected for four years was just struck down. What does that say for your loyalty/accountability? Oh, and getting back to your original comment of "Illegal Immigrants", do you forget that unless your ancestors were people who crossed the Bearing Strait you were the original Illegal Immigrant? Grow Up America!
     
  23. Balin64 macrumors 6502a

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    PLEASE! This was NOT Democracy at work! Who, mind you, payed for the signature-gathering company? Yes, a Republican who spent 2 million of his own money to ensure the 890,000 signatures necessary to get the recall on the ballot. Without his bankroll, they mustered only 200,000. Yeez, do you guys listen to your own American Media? I listen to the BBC and feel more informed than you. Or are you just myopic? America easily exchanges terms: democracy, patriotism, freedom. They are NOT interchangeable, only if you blindly follow the rhetoric of your government. Open your eyes and conceptualize... is THIS what your "founding fathers" intended... really?
     
  24. jywv8 macrumors 6502

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    yeah, right

    Maybe when hell freezes over.
     
  25. jywv8 macrumors 6502

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    My thoughts exactly.


    Spending $40 million to have a Big Tobacco flunky smear a president and finding no evidence of wrong-doing anywhere, except for the cover-up of a sexual affair, and releasing the Starr Report, complete with pornographic details, to Congress and the public just a month before the 1998 elections. Now that's a better joke.

    I'm laughing on the inside.
     

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