Exposed: All US military pilots are meth junkies! Disgusting!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by peter2002, Dec 21, 2002.

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    What a travesity and hypocracy. It has been revealed that all US military pilots use speed aka "meth" to fly. In fact, the Pentagon approves it.

    Any civilian pilot caught flying using this drug would lose their licence and could face 20 years of prison at hard labor.

    The military doesn't call them speed or meth. They refer to the drug as "Go Pills". Speed is a highly addictive drug that effects reasoning, judgement and make you psychotic.

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_pilotpills021220.html

    I don't see why these guys can't take No Dose, or that new drug that was approved earlier this year that can keep you awake up to 4 days without feeling drousy. I forgot the name.

    Pete
     
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    Re: Exposed: All US military pilots are meth junkies! Disgusting!

    They've been giving the soldiers drugs since the beggining of time. Anything to get them to perform better and longer. Speed has been in the military at least since Vietnam. They use to give all the foot soldiers a vile of morphine to carry around there neck. This was so if they got shot or had there leg blown off they could still fight.

    I agree that it is as two faced as it gets. How can you trust someone who does one thing and says another.
     
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    you need to get your facts straight before you start making blanket statements about this country and its armed servicemen. first of all speed is not 'meth'. speed is just a generic name for an amphetamine. your reasoning places anyone who takes addheral or ritalin or most ADD drugs as 'meth' users.

    a speed addiction is nowhere near the severity of a heroin addiction. ask any addict.

    if you are going to label the entire military as a bunch of druggies from something you have read in the press...then just leave the country and complain about wherever else you move. frankly most people in the US just dont want to hear that bs.

    oh, and that comment about the 'brothers' in jail...way to lose all credibility.
     
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    Just a note. Some of the most famous and influential writers in US history did just that, most went specifically to Paris. Amazing that people enjoy reading their "bs". The problem with America of late has become that if you don't support the English-speaking US 100%, you should "just leave and go somewhere else". The USA were built on visions of democracy, where people could voice their opinions. Why do we even have the Bill of Rights if people who's actions are allowed under it are told to "just leave"?

    The States is a wonderful country, but zealots are slowly bringing the entire nation into acting almost like Alabama of just a few decades ago. How much longer until we have lynchings of people who don't support a particular action of the president or because they don't speak English (especially when English is NOT the official language of the USA)? I honestly don't see it very far off.
     
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    Well, I wouldn't call the military a bunch of druggies, I would call that the entire US! When I was 24 I went to study there for 2 years and I never sow so much drugs in my life, I came back after and I haven't seen in my country in 4 years so many drugs as I was used to see in a single week when I was there. Students, teachers, the secretary, the vistors, the employees, people at the regular partys, drugs dealers every where trying to fit in to the circle of friends, etc. I see a bit of pot here in may country each 2 months and I work as a VJ in rave partys, so there are tons amounts of drugs in the US and the goverment is not doing it best to resolve the problem trust me.
     
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    Almost exactly right!;) The one thing you left out is that most likely everyone here is addicted to something extremely closely related to an amphetamine: caffeine.

    As for the responses to the 'just leave' thing, 1. English is the the official language of this country, despite popular belief to the contrary, and 2. it's our right of freedom of speech to tell you to get out. The government can't say that, but ordinary citizens most certainly can.
     
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    I can't argue with #2, except to say that you can't when it gets to the point of being harassment which I have seen it get to many times (stupid bigotted South)

    On #1, could you please show me where the FEDERAL government chose English as our official language? The last time that I checked, the ONLY time we have EVER voted upon the explicit use of specific language was very early in our country's history, and even then, all it was was a request to have laws produced in German as well as English, but there have been no votes making any language the official language.

    Yes, state government can choose an official language. The state of Alabama has English. However, that does NOT mean that the federal government, and thusly the entire nation, follows this same officiality.

    History has shown that restricting the usage of language is not necessarily a good thing. Look at Spain, for example. During the rule of Franco, the highly developed languages of Catalonian, Galician, and Euskaran were disallowed, punishable by death even in the case of the Basques. The amount of hatred that the entire northern section of Spain had for Franco was immense, and continues to today. If it weren't for those people who suffered through the descrimination, Galician, Catalonian, and Euskaran would be dead languages.

    Yes, I guess we should do that too. Stop people from speaking anything other than English and punish them if they do. Oh wait, didn't we already do that? Oh yes, with the Spanish in the Southwest, with the Germans in the north, and with the Japanese in the West.
     
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    In this case the soldiers are being set up as patsies for their superiors who ok'd the 'go pills' in the first place. Its sometimes amazing what people can rationalize.

    D :(
     
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    lets get some things strait here. 'meth' is short for methamphetamine. speed is basically amphetamine. i can see why people could get them conufsed. however, as far as i know, amphetamines can be prescribed. the military could simply say they were prescribed to them and be done with it. or they could stop being imperialistic ****ing bastards and leave everyone else alone
     
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    I dont like your comment,,I live in the south and we are not all bigots. And the south is not stupid. I can say this because am northern by birth and southeren by choice. Grow up
     
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    Grow up? Open your eyes

    I live in the south as well, been here since birth, thanks much.

    No, not everyone in the South is bigoted. But that hardly means that everything is just peachy like many people like to think. Comparatively speaking, the South is stupid (or "less smart") though. Look at standardized test scores, rate of college degrees per capita, &c. The evidence supports me. [1] What other state in the nation has CUT funding to public schools (K-12 and higher-ed) 6.2% across the board and refuses to redo an archaic constitution that is the very prevention of giving more funds? [2] Is EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the South is stupid? No. But the collective whole is, especially when it does nothing to remedy the scores of problems in existance.

    If the South is as great as you say it is, why do 90% of the white people in my school wear shirts that are pro-confederate, pro-segregation? [3] And I'm in one of the more "integrated" towns. Or perhaps you would prefer it that way, being segregated?

    You'll recall that my town's university (Auburn University) was recently well known for racist actions with regards to fraternities. The South has also been the birth of people such as Senator Lott [4] or Chief Justice Moore [5]. If people vote for known bigots, they ARE bigots. When I say "the South" I mean the collective majority, NOT every single individual. [6]

    There is a reason I plan to move away from the South as soon as I can afford to, although I will miss the sweet tea. [7]

    Open your eyes, the South is not that great, far from it.

    [size=small][1] Your poor usage of grammar and spelling don't exactly help your argument.
    [2] A profesor at Auburn that I know recently observed a history class at a rural school about an hour from my town. The history teacher teaching WWII as "World Ware Eleven". The current constitution of Alabama has almost 95% of all tax revenue earmarked, with very little of that going to schools, and no allowance for tax re-appropriation.
    [3] I say this being half-caucasian myself. On the t-shirts specially, recently one school system was noted for having banned certain shirts of these types (not all) based on the offensive racist and descriminatory views they held.
    [4] Yeah, the USA would be better off if we were still segregated. Whatever. People like this do not need to be in government, except, they get there because the people of the South continue voting them in.
    [5] "The State of Alabama can execute homosexuals if it sees fit", in reference to the adoption case of child whose drug-addicted dad was given custody over a well-off mother, simply because the mother was currently in a lesbian relationship.
    [6] That's like saying "Those Spanish-speaking Spaniards" Not everyone there speaks Spanish, even people born there, especially in the Basque country. However, the COLLECTIVE mass of Spaniards do speak Spanish. No one would get mad at me if I said "Those Spanish-speaking Spaniards", now would they?
    [7] How people can drink iced tea without sugar is beyond me.[/size]
     
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    I personally think that if you can't read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution then they should not apply to you.
     
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    Where were you visiting? Sounds like you were in a bad neighborhood. Those exist everywhere in the world and if you don't think that that sort of things exists somewhere near you then you need to take another look.
     
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    So the Bill of Rights and the Constitution shan't be applicable to babies and small children, and others who are unable to read? I guess that means the way the censuses are done will need to be changed, since people who haven't even been to school yet have no rights as a US-born citizen. Thankfully you weren't in power when my mentally-retarded sister was fighting for her life. You'd probably have said "she's not a citizen, she can't have health insurance" and left her to die waiting in an emergency room.
     
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    Jeez take it to the extreme why don't you. Obviously babies and kids have some right. They currently don't have the rights an adult has but that's because they can't comprehend the responsibility yet.

    It's not the governments responsibility to supply health care to the people. If you want to blame someone and go looking for a system to change go after the hospitals and the insurance companies. There the ones who charge everyone out the ass and refuse service to those that can't afford it. My tax dollars shouldn't be going to blow up some kid in another country if I don't want it to and they shouldn't be going to supply health care to someone if I don't want it to. The point is we should have a choice. Let's fix the Hospitals and the Insurance companies don't make everyone pay for there corrupt system.

    Sorry if I feel insensitive but I'm sick of paying over 50% of my income to taxes and then having to pay insurances a quarter of whats left of that. I know income tax and property tax don't add up to 50% but figure out how much tax has been added into the food, gas, items that you buy. The Government taxes on almost everything and it get's passed down to the end consumer.
     
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    Um...taking it to the extreme is an accepted form of formal philosophical debate termed "reductio ad absurdum". If you reduce an argument to an extreme level, and it still holds true, the original statement is valid. If not, the original statement needs to be further examined and refined.

    Perhaps my example of medicine was not the best, as foreigners can, though with much greater difficulty, get medical insurance here. (and regardless, emergency rooms theoretically will treat anyone, if they are state funded)

    I do, however, completely agree with you that we have better things to do then spend money blowing people up in other countries. Your specific examples were quite good (though, contrary to popular belief, if you can't afford medicines, you can apply [and most often receive] free medicine directly from the pharmaceuticals. If you ever get in that situation, ask a empathetic RN, RNP, or MD, and they'll be more than happy to get you the forms).
     
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    wha?

    I thought you guys were talking about pilots using speed? what happened to that?

    my brother is a combat pilot in the USAF. He doesn't use speed. That's my frame of reference.

    And EVERY country has it's problems. The US gets scrutinized because it's the last of the 'superpowers'. And the US is selfish, mainly for energy reasons (read that as 'oil') which I think will definitely change in the next 30 yrs.
    And yes, the South still has racial issues to deal with. But segregation only happened 50 some odd years ago... that's 3 centuries of oppression to work out so it's not going to be instantaneous.

    And finally, my last quarrel is that English is NOT the official language of the US... but it should be. Have your separate cultures, religions, etc. but an official language just makes sense. The overall problem I see with this country is that nothing unifies it.
     
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    Re: Exposed: All US military pilots are meth junkies! Disgusting!

    That drug that can keep you awake for 4 days....I thought it was 40 hours....and I didn't think it was approved, just under review.

    IF it was approved do you have a link? Also, What was it called again? (that's why I can't search to make sure I am right)
     
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    Re: Grow up? Open your eyes

    Well i was born and raised in the North,,,and its not a much different than the South. Bigots live all over the place. I hear the word ****** more when i go north and than when i am down here. All I am saying is dont judge a people by a region. That makes just as bad as your bigots. They use statistics too;) Have a great day!!
     
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    There's no drug that can keep a person awake for four days, it's 40 hours.

    Those pilots disobeyed an order as well, they were told not to fire and they did. Then they second guessed their actions, a fighter pilot should not second guess himself, it could (and did) lead to tragedy.
     
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    ah, i'm tired and cranky and this post was way too negative. sorry.
     
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    Since I have never been there, outside an airport anyway, I can't say much about the 'bigotted' part, but given some of your other posts in this thread, I certainly can't argue with the 'stupid' (it's spelled bigoted, BTW).

    Retracted because my original source was incorrect. Upon further examination, while the Federal government has no official language, 15 state governments do, including the one I live in, California.

    Very good, you know some history.

    Straw man.

    No, it's not (the accepted part, not the Latin name). It's called a straw man, which is not accepted.

    Apparently, the evidence is also supported by you. :p
     
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    re: Official Language of the US

    While it has not yet been passed into law (english as the official language of the US, I mean), in my opinion, it ought to.

    If I go into someone's home, I expect to have to adapt MY ways to accomodate their rules. Anything less would be disrespectful. The same should apply to immigrants entering the US. They're coming into our house, so to speak, and are guests--not special-privileged citizens for whom we suddenly have to learn a new language for. This is what the melting pot and cultural assimilation are all about. They influence our society, but they also adapt and become Americanized. I'd expect nothing less of myself if I moved to say, Japan or Nigeria.

    Sorry, but I didn't spend my childhood mastering American English so that some foreigner could come in and expect me to change for his/her convenience. And I don't. I know some spanish, but do you think I use any when talking to a Mexican who can't speak more than two words of english? I don't believe I should have to, and I don't. And in the process, they learn a little english along the way.

    Now as for persecuting (or prosecuting) people who don't know--or want to know--English if it were our official language, well that is ridiculous. In my scenario, they just wouldn't be able to adequately function in our country until they learned to properly communicate with its residents. And I don't see anything wrong with that. But just because some such laws in the past have been used to persecute those who refused to conform, doesn't make the idea of an official language wrong or immoral--just how it is implemented.

    I'm open to being convinced of my wrongness, if there is any. But as of right now, I see everything right with my belief on this matter.
     
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    We went off an exit and never got back on the highway.

    All so true. France and Russia have large business dealings with the demon that is Saddam Hussein. China hates the US and has (is?) supported Islamic lunatics who's goal it is to overthrow our society. They also like to kill Buddhists and Christians. Saudi Arabia likewise persecutes Christians. There are African countries where the people starve to the benefit of their leaders. We (the US) have helped to jump-start Mexico into their current drug-smuggling business. The Bible says that "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." But for some reason, the US gets the least amount of tolerance for its immoral nonsense, while Iraq and China hardly anyone speaks up about. There is a disgusting international double-standard, in my opinion. (This is why I get annoyed when someone says that we need international (UN) justification to attack Iraq. All we need is a moral reason and a moral guideline. If we got that, the immoral governments of this world have no moral authority to dictate to us what can and can not do. I suppose the issue here is, do we (the US) have a moral cause to attack Iraq and a moral guideline for carrying out that attack? I'd like to think we do and hope we do.)


    This I don't understand. Does not Russia have a credible conventional force, not to mention a terrifying unconventional one? And while China has a limited nuclear force (which could still destroy the west coast of the US), they do have a ridiculously large army.
     
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    Bleh.

    Just a few points.

    I notice a lot of people saying the very over-used "every country has problems, not just the US" line.

    True, no place is perfect but using at as an excuse to shut someone up who is criticizing the actions our country takes is not.

    As Patriotic people of ANY country (If you believe yourself to be one, and that from my perspective means loathing the Bush Administration for there scare tactics and selective protection of the Constitution) you work towards the betterment of the Nation.

    You don't sit idly back babbling about how every country has "problems" so we don't need to worry about fixing our own. Oh, how wrong you are. Work to create change, my friends. It is hard and change takes time. But if you love your country and are willing to work towards what is right then it will happen.

    You can spur history forward with your own hands...so don't try and justify the problems this country has-try to fix them. Discuss them, spread the word, demonstrate-whatever you feel will accomplish what you feel is right. Do it.

    We are all Mac users here, and so as cliche as it may seem I am going to bring in the Think Different Ad (Didn't see that one coming, eh?)

    "Because the people who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world. Are the ones who do."

    That's all really have to say. Sorry to interrupt the battle, though you would all do better showing more respect to one another and that shows insecurity and immaturity on all sides.
     

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