Factory collapses, 200+ dead

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    chagla

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22289362

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    Not sure if this made it on any US newspaper. i was baffled when i saw less than one quarter of a page is dedicated for "world news" in 60+ pages daily newspapers. usually 30 pages of sports news, 20 pages entertainment,...

    anyways.

    it's quite convenient for western big companies to denounce Bangladesh Garment industry evertime there is a
    tragedy such as this. they will shed some crocodile tears, cry about work ethics, standards, safety and blah blah blah but one thing they
    won't do is pay few cents more to Bangladesh. instead they will take their business to another poor country for
    cheap labor. i also blame Bangladeshi garment factory owners, they are greedy as well and they put profit above
    everything. the victim is always the poor and this time they paid with their lives.
     
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    Typical Western alarm: "You mean my jeans might cost $5 more??" :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, as Peterkro says it's big headline news here... I think it's making us all feel pretty awkward and uncomfortable in our cheap clothes.
     
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    Dodental Bangladesh zeker 145



    Het dodental in Bangladesh, waar een gebouw van acht verdiepingen is ingestort, is opgelopen tot zeker 145. Er zijn zeker duizend gewonden.

    De hele nacht is door reddingswerkers gezocht naar overlevenden. Ze denken dat er nog veel mensen vast zitten onder het puin en dat er in de loop van de dag een duidelijker beeld van de situatie is.

    De lichamen van ruim 100 doden zijn overgedragen aan hun families.

    2000 mensen
    In het gebouw in een voorstad van de hoofdstad Dhaka zaten onder meer een kledingfabriek, een bank en enkele winkels. Volgens de brandweer waren er zo'n 2000 mensen in het pand toen het instortte.

    De eigenaar van het gebouw wordt voor nalatigheid aangeklaagd.

    Volgens een website werden in de kledingfabriek kleren gemaakt voor onder meer Libra in Nederland en C&A in Duitsland.

    http://nos.nl/artikel/499422-dodental-bangladesh-zeker-145.html

    Yes it made the news here because as pointed out by other posters the factory made clothes for the European market.
     
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    To me it looks like progress is being made with arrests and stuff. Good for Bangladesh :).

    Obviously the incident itself is very sad :(.
     
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    I hope that some real movement will be made pushing the clothing manufacturers to enforce safety. It won't do to boycott Bangladesh and buy Pakistani, or, vice versa. These companies buy from anywhere they can save a percent on cost. Unfortunately, only bad publicity seems to matter.
     
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    I read that Walmart is connect to the factory? They said they are looking into it at least because the company they go for uses some of the factories connected to the owners of this one.

    Anyway it sure does tell you something about the western world doesn't it ie the amount of coverage.

    Boston bombing: 2 people die, massive amount of coverage, sorrow outrage all over the western world/white world.

    This incident: 200+ dead confirmed, many more hundreds missive, all because western companies want cheap labor for our cloths and goods. What sort of coverage? Back page news and a 2 minute bulletin.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a westerner and white if that even matters, but it's a bitter pill to swallow if you know what I mean.
     
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    There's been lots of coverage in the UK. It is still the top business story on the BBC.

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    Clearly, this is why regulations are needed in the workplace and in the marketplace.

    However, I'm sure all the Libertarians/CONservatives/Freemarketeers will say otherwise and say something boneheaded along the lines of "Bwhaaaaaa! Less government, less regulation!!!!! This is exactly how the free market will correct itself. You don't like factory collapses, buy from a different manufacturer, problem solved." To which I say, what about the 200+ people who died because there were no regulations? Spare me. :rolleyes:
     
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    Baiting them does not help.
     
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    I think this incident has less to do with markets and more to do with local building codes and inspectors (or lack thereof).
     
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    Local building codes and inspectors, before their implementation, are treated by industry as unnecessary red tape, a drain on efficiency and productivity, and an affront to the virtues of markets.

    After the implementation of building codes and inspectors, industry states they approve of them, tolerates them when they have to, and tries to control, reduce, or eliminate them where possible.

    If you want to defend codes and inspectors, then you are at some point going to have to discuss how much freedom 'markets' are given.
     
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    Not in this case. The owner was cautioned not to let people into the building - by inspectors - but the building wasn't red tagged. Why not? The inspector was already on the job. Were there code violations? Was a routine inspection missed?

    None of that has anything to do with whether the workers were paid a fair wage. I imagine other workers in different (non-crumbling) buildings aren't being paid any better. The market isn't to blame here.
     
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    What? I'm talking about the relative balance of power here - between industry to pursue profit as their ultimate end (often at the expense of safety and fairness), and the power of other institutions (such as legal ones) to not only have standards, but to ensure they are enforced. The question of a fair wage is a non sequitur - markets involve more than wages, so I'm not sure what you're objecting to.

    I have no idea how you can talk about a workplace accident, a place of ownership, management, and labour, and say you don't have to account for the market's role in this. People ran this factory and went there everyday because of a market. Do you think it is just an issue for structural engineers or something?
     
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    That, and safety standards which were either not on the books or not properly enforced.
     
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    What is really shocking is to see tragedies like this that happened in US and Europe 100~150 years ago happen in developing countries (also garment factory fire 2 months ago)

    It is like reinventing the wheel with blood again.

    Tragic
     
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    That, and rampant cronyism.
     
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    So in order for these safety standards to be enforced, there needs to be regulators. Who, in essence, is an extension of government, good government that is and not police state government (which has become very rampant throughout the world thanks to multinational corporations who buy off government officials in order for them to make a buck on the backs of average people).

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    Get used to seeing these sorts of incidences in our country thanks to those who oppose regulatory agencies.

    Keep in mind the fact that a fertilizer plant blew up a couple weeks ago in Texas, a plant that was last inspected in the 1980s.
     
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    And whose self-reporting of materials was lacking in that they did not report ammonium nitrate to DHS. There were frequent thefts of anhydrous ammonium used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine. Not the security of sites.

    But manufacturing works best unregulated and left to its own self-monitoring, just like the finance sector.
     
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