Fanboyism

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by RawBert, May 30, 2010.

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    RawBert

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    I got my first Mac in 03 and have loved every second of it. I love Apple's products. Steve Jobs is on my short list of people I consider truly great. I consider myself a huge fan of Apple and I am proud to be a part of the "Apple Culture." Though I'm still relatively new to this whole scene.

    About a year ago I started reading comments in the News and Article Discussion Forum of MacRumors. I love it. I read for hours all the comments and criticisms. All these different points of view from people all over the world. It still is such a pleasure to read. I spend most of my time on the net here, for that reason.

    The thing that I just wasn't expecting is the fairly large amount of Apple hatred. (So naive, I know). Sure, I expected some, but it seemed excessive to me. After all, this is a Mac fan site. Anyway, when I joined MR and started joining in the conversations and discussions, I pretty much knew what to expect. Still, I didn't fully realize what the connotation "fan boy" meant. To blindly defend Apple. To dismiss the notion that Apple can do a wrong. Well, it undoubtedly goes both ways. Not all, but a lot of that anti-Apple or anti-Microsoft attitude that we see around here is fanboyism. I too admittedly am biased in favor of Apple. Still, I wouldn't call myself a fan boy (any more). I love these forums. I've learned many things here. Not just about tech, but about perspectives. I'm a wiser man for it. And now, instead of being bothered by anti-Apple statements or blindly agreeing pro-Apple fanboyism, I observe it and even learn a thing or two from it.

    So, would you consider yourself an Apple "fan boy or fangirl?" Did you at one point?

    Below is a good article on the subject that I pretty much agree with. It's pro-Apple, of course, since it's from TUAW.

    BTW, These cliches won't die out any time soon.
     
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    niuniu

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    My Apple is perfect days are over, but Mac OS X is still my preferred platform over Windows or Linux. Apple's finish is really trendy and prime - it's hard to switch to a lesser finish.

    It could all be so much better though - especially in the mobile dept. It's locked down and restrictive, really awful stuff for 2010. I don't know how people think this stuff is cutting edge..
     
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    hmm ironic as the author says this and it pretty much applies to everything he says lol
     
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    I'm sure there's a non-existent/scrapped/failed iPad/iPod/iPhone-Killer out there with your name on it. Just open your wallet and trade down. As far as the iPad goes, it's the best of its kind available at the moment, and by the looks of the sleepy, unimaginative, misguided "competition", it looks like this market will belong to the iPad for some time.
     
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    maflynn

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    Agreed, while I never considered myself a fanboy the blind following by some here is surprising. Apple is a multibillion dollar corporation with one purpose to make money. Not a bad thing but they're not worthy of worship

    I've already tranistion over to a better open phone. The iPhone one is a good phone with good apps. I'm finding I have more choice, more customization and mmore power with my nexus. Apple is now playing catch up against the android platform
     
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    notjustjay

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    I liked the article he quoted (did the OP write that piece?), for the most part, except the one paragraph with all the jabs at Microsoft. That seems to be every bit the "fanboy" and "the Smug" that the article author claims to hate.
     
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    Odd.

    I didn't see any "jabs" at Microsoft, only an explanation of what some of their practices were and are. Also, a comparison of what Apple is doing now relative to what MS did in their heyday.

    If anything, I feel the OP was being overly nice towards MS and a little hard on Apple.

    I wouldn't have done so.
    "Apple Fangirl"? Maybe I am. Certainly by most MS supporters definitions I am.
    I respect Apple's contributions to humanity which I consider to have mostly been positive while MS has been more my idea of a Parasite.

    Have fun,
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    notjustjay

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    I read as far as this:

    "The Zune tanked. The KIN will tank. Windows Phone Blake's 7 (or whatever they're calling it this week) is going to tank..."

    And then I decided that author wasn't exactly trying to be objective. The Zune's sales can be tracked, sure, but the Kin and Windows Phone 7 have just been released and it's very premature to offer conjecture on their success without a good bit of personal opinion mixed in.
     
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    KeriJane

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    Oh.

    So the Zune didn't tank? Or stating the fact that a product specifically intended to be an iPod killer failed to do so is a "jab"? MS was touting the Zune to be the next big thing... And it wasn't. Seems like a "tank" to me. Saying so isn't an insult, just an observation.

    So predicting the failure of a product is a "jab"? OK, fine, whatever.

    OK, maybe poking a little fun at MS not being able to decide on a name might be a jab... But "Blakes 7" is hardly an offensive, insulting jab like, oh, say... iMaxiPad for example.

    I would've thought a jab would be something like this: "That bunch of criminal frauds over at MS can't do anything right!" or "I wonder how they'll try to get away with copying Apple this time?"
    Now those are Jabs!

    I still think OP was far too nice towards MS,
    Drinking the Kool Aid,
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    By OP, You mean the guy who wrote the article.
     
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    R94N

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    To be honest, I might be an Apple fanboy, but I don't care what anyone else thinks. I love the company and their ideas. I have completely switched from the PC and I'm never going back :)
     
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    citizenzen

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    Unapologetic fanboy.

    If you're calling me that, it just must mean you're jealous.
     
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    R94N

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    I've just realised how spiteful that sounds. I'm not like this in real life, promise!
     
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    roadbloc

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    I like some of Apple's products, but I am not a fanboy. I've been put off Apple by their decisions and by the obsessiveness of some of the MacRumours members.

    I doubt I will be buying another Apple product, unless 10.7 is seriously impressive.
     
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    I like what they do best; the iMac, the iPod, the Macbook. But I really don't like anything else they do. So I'm not a fan. I'm not like some on this forum that think Apple would dominate X market if they entered or would mindlessly buy any upcoming product just because Apple made it.

    For me they're a means to an end. I need a good music player and a semi-decent, low power, small computer.
     
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    The first two are correct. The third point is a reasonable assumption, given it's MS we're talking about.

    I didn't read anything spiteful about your post, but if you mean that you're unable to take a stand and because you're looking for everyone's approval, then mission accomplished.
     
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    maflynn

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    Agreed but given that it was from TAUW, would you expect anything less. Its an apple focused blog.

    I agree that while the author tries to make a case those cliches go, he actually fulfills them. I think there some comments left there on that story stating the same.

    They may be dated cliches, but until people stop exhibiting blind and a worshipful attitude towards apple that defies logic and common sense, those terms will remain.
     
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    I think the author is "not smart", and reading his opinion was painful. I don't know if he realises that he's all the things people hate about Mac users.
     
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    But what is a 'fanboy'?

    I bought my first Mac in 1994 and I've used nothing else since. For what it's worth, I've made a decent living from my Macs. In general, I love Apple products and certain aspects of their culture:

    I've own(ed) 5 Macs, 2 iPods and an iPad
    I've bought 2 Macs for family members
    I get excited by the share price, though I'm not a shareholder
    I defend Apple – sometimes too vociferously – especially in the face of ignorance

    However;
    I haven't got an iPhone
    I cringe at many of Apple's short sighted decisions
    I hated the Get a Mac ads
    I dissuade people from buying Macs on a regular basis

    I don't consider myself to be a fanboy as I don't blindly endorse everything Apple do, but I do feel that their products (even those with a closed system) are right for many people.
     
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    Being a Fanboy has nothing to do with spotting a superior product. What I'm sick an tired of personally is people who refer to other PCs (non-Mac) as Windows PCs.

    You can run more operating systems than just Windows on it.
     
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    I own an imac, macmini, MBP, ipad, iphone and a couple of ipods. Youd think as a result Id have nothing but glowing praise for all things Apple, well think otherwise....

    I like and buy the stuff for the ease of use and the OS, but Apple products are overpriced, not as much as some may think they are, but they are overpriced for what you get.

    When I bought my 2008 MBP, I was excited. I was thinking Id be getting a laptop that would last a good 3-5 years before I had any problems. Well, once it hit two years the optical drive failed.

    I also dont like Apples way of trying to exert control over users who purchase their stuff, i.e. closed OS's on iphone and ipad. The apps available for these on the app store are a joke for the most part. The full potential of these items are only realized when they are jailbroken..

    Dont get me wrong, I love Apple products, but they just arent all that some make them out to be.
     
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    Yes, you can and probably should run non-Windows OS's on a PC.
    If you're not running Windows, the term "Windows PC" doesn't apply to you. No need to take offense.

    But who really does?
    The percentage of PC users that have escaped the death grip of Microsoft is microscopic.
    The unfortunate fact is that the vast majority of Non-Apple Personal Computers are running Microsoft Windows, so the term "Windows PC" is sadly accurate in a general sort of way.

    Kudos to Apple for developing the first real alternative to Windows that has gotten mainstream. Popularity counts because with it comes the clout that gets programs, drivers, accessories and whatever else developed for the platform.

    While Linux is a valiant effort and a worthwhile alternative to Windows, it's just not popular enough. It's not the first time that something better got eclipsed by something awful. (I mean Windows, not OSX)

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    When it comes to defending my personal choice of computer - I guess I am an Apple Fangirl (new age one maybe?). But I am not sucking Steves you-know-what.

    I enjoy a good debate with others about the pro's and con's of both worlds. Yes I am bias - but then so are Sony TV owners and Skoda drivers etc...

    It's hard not to defend our own choices, and we would be soft not to do so. Doesn't mean we are all blind to the downsides.

    I truly wish there was better game support (not that I would play many), and I do wish there was a little more flexibility in the app-store. But then our products would undoubtedly gain more 'issues'.

    I have used both MS and Apple products over the years and while I wasn't entirely happy with either at times; didn't make me join either camp of haters.

    I defended Vista. I defended Win 7, I hated WinME, I loved Leo and SnowLeo.

    I suspect we are all fangirl/boys at some level.

    ok, its a bank holiday and Ive just crawled out of bed (long night at work) and have to go to work in an hour or so; guess its that time for me to stop randomly bashing at the keys......
     
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    UTclassof89

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    "fanboy" is another of those terms that should be retired. It has no real meaning; it's only used by lazy people as a pejorative to discredit someone who makes a positive comment about something.

    People should be able to make positive comments about Apple (or anyone else) without having to qualify it with "...but I'm not a fanboy--here are some off-topic things I don't like about them"
     
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    I had a friend IRL actually become enraged and almost punch me for answering a question posed by another friend "What makes Mac impressive in your mind?".

    IMO that is the definition of fanboyism, when you close your mind to any other view point in this case violently and without any reasoning at all.
     

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