Fastest Mac Card on earth??

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  1. thedoc1111 macrumors regular

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  2. wide macrumors 6502a

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    That is pretty cool...but I do hope the seller realizes the 9800 XT is not the fastest graphics card in the Windows world. If he is for real, he should make a Mac-compatible nVIDIA gForce 6800 ULTRA card, or, even better, an ATI Radeon X800 Platinum Mac-compatible video card!! even better, he should make Alienware's new ALX design compatible with Macs! Dual ATI Radeon X800 Platinum cards each rendering 1/2 of the screen!...now that would be amazing..
     
  3. applekid macrumors 68020

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    I guess it means it is possible to flash the 9800XT to work on the Mac. Someone should buy it and do some benchmarking.
     
  4. thedoc1111 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Clearly he has not got all 256MB RAM working (there is n such thing as a 128MB Radeon 9800 XT)

    Actually, the 9800 XT are the 9800 are fundamentally the same card I think, so the same ROM should work for both.

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  5. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604

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    If this is true, then why doesn't ATi just sell this card for the Mac?

    <frustration>

    Only the ATi Rage 128 and nVidia Geforce 3 were grfx cards "first" available for Mac (if my memory serves me correctly, the Geforce 3 was announced first for Mac but actually available for PC first...).

    All other 3D cards are PC first by a long way, or even worse: PC only.
    I know gaming isn't "top priority" for Apple, but I can't help getting the feeling that not having the high-end grfx cards available in a Mac doesn't help the PC game-speed bashing of any Mac for years now, resulting in bad Mac performance tests. Check out Barefeats, a Dual 2.0 GHz G5 with Radeon 9800 Pro (best there is now :rolleyes: ) gets beaten up pretty heavily by Intels and AMDs with their better 3D cards.
    Maybe not very significant, but never good marekting.

    So why doesn't Apple "help" ATi and/or nVidia? You know, give 'em the necessary $$$ to have 'em ready quick... A Radeon 9800 XT is simply a must have. The X800 should be availabe as BTO in the coming PowerMacs, as the Geforce 6800. Give us options.

    </frustration>
     
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    That's the Radeon 9800 Mac Special Edition, not the XT I'm afraid.
     
  8. oingoboingo macrumors 6502a

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    Whoops, my bad. I thought you were just talking about the regular 9800. In that case, yes, we're screwed until ATI comes to the party. I'd guess that the new PowerMacs at WWDC will have updated video cards, although whether those are available as a 3rd party purchase remains to be seen.
     
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    Funny how the people who have problems with the ATI drivers usually have flashed cards... :rolleyes:
     
  10. thedoc1111 thread starter macrumors regular

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    The seller doesn't make enough of this IMHO, but the 440/390 is very impressive!

    The standard 9800 Retail is clocked at 380/340 - they both use (fundamentally) the same chip so that is 15% faster chip and memory.
    The OEM G5 9800 is even slower (350/?) so that's an even bigger improvement.

    This is going to be one serious card, I just wish I had £295 spare!

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  11. Rezet macrumors 6502a

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    Even if this works initially, I wouldnt buy it. How can you guarantee anything with hacked card really? Your UT will be exiting 24/7 for example and you threw 500 bucks on this crap. Just wait for nvidia or ati to release new cards... I have 9800 Se and it's very nice. No probs at all and good speed.
     
  12. Pegano macrumors newbie

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    I agree with Rezet, the next generation of cards from ATi and (maybe) nVidia will whoop this thing. (If you can wait) If you can't wait, get an SE 9800. (good luck finding one) Anyhow, this flashed thing could burn out any minute and you're out 500 fat ones. :mad:
     
  13. ddtlm macrumors 65816

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    I'm not as worried about the graphic chip as I am about the amount of RAM. With OSX making heavy use to textures for everyday desktopping stuff, I'd bet a 256MB card would be a lot smoother than a 64MB one. I'm running two 1600x1200 displays on 64MB VRAM and it does chop sometimes. Although OSX-10.3 is faster in general, since its using VRAM its performance is less consistient for me than older OSX versions.
     
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    Yeah... wonder why ATi did that? To boost Retail sales? Or heat problems in G5?
     
  15. thedoc1111 thread starter macrumors regular

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    About the slower OEM Clock Speeds - I'd guess fan speed issues and the fact that the OEM card has no extra power connector (it runs of extra power from the AGP Pro slot which the G4 lacks).

    But still, it is a mystery as the AGP Pro slot should supply enough power.

    Anyway, ATI don't even acknowledge G5 support on the retail 9800 Card (the card only works at 4x AGP) so it can't be to boost sales somehow.

    And what is it with the 9800 OEM card not supporting Versavision - that is so stupid, grrr

    ATI have made a right pigs ear of their Mac offerings, so I'm going to buy one of this guys 'normal' 9800s as ATI clearly don't deserve their Mac tax.

    At least it supports 8x AGP
     
  16. benpatient macrumors 68000

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    the last G4 towers didn't have AGP pro?

    are you serious? I mean, i haven't ever even looked that up because i went from a first gen G4 to a dual G5, but my PC from 1999 had an AGP Pro slot. Can someone confirm that the 1.25ghz dual processor G4 tower doesn't have an AGP Pro slot?
     
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    I think in order to get this card to work you have to solder an new memory chip to the board becuase the Mac firmware is to big to fit on the existing module. It would be cool to run games on my dual 2gig G5, but I have a 23" cinema display, and that card does not have ADC, so I guess I will wait for the X800 mac edition card.
     
  20. thedoc1111 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I didn't see that, maybe they do support G5s, but it definitely only does 4x AGP.
    http://www.barefeats.com/g5op2.html

    And in other places too!


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  21. applekid macrumors 68020

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    Is this the same 9800 XT that is BTO on the G5?
     
  22. thedoc1111 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Its the same card yes, but it probably has a different cooler.
     

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