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Future of iTunes Norway, Sweden, Denmark?

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    MacRumors

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    Macworld.co.uk reports that Apple has provided an intial response to Norway's Consumer Council regarding Apple's Digital Rights Management and the terms of service in Apple's iTunes Music store.

    The contents of the response are not yet public, but Macworld.co.uk claims that "the contents of the letter could determine the future of the iTunes music store in Norway, Sweden and Denmark."

    The initial complaint filed was based on Apple's Digital Rights Management protection that accompanies every iTunes song sold. Apple's DRM reportedly violates the Norwegian Copyright Act because the songs can only be played on Apple's iPod.

    The French legislature recently received a lot of attention for trying to pass a similar law in France. There was speculation that Apple would withdraw iTunes from France if the law came into effect. In the end a softened version of the law passed in France and has had no immediate effects on Apple iTunes France.
     
  2. macrumors demi-god

    acearchie

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    Ohhh :( everyone should be able to benefit from the beautiful iTunes music store... But i wish apple would hurry up in getting tv shows to the other stores!!!

    I would buy buy buy its so simplistic! LOl
     
  3. macrumors regular

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    WHY NOT IN MY COUNTRY!!! It does blow a bit, but oh well. Fortunetly, I have a credit card and a P.O. Box in America so I don't have a problem, and you can always use gift cards.
     
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    Mitthrawnuruodo

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    Well, I've only gotten 8 songs from iTMS Norway, so far, and I doubt I'll get many more... I get all my music from the local library... :cool:

    So, considering that I couldn't care less if iTMS was closed.

    On the other hand, I could think of a number of things, that will affect my and most Norwegians far more than DRM'ed music, that the Consumer Council should be concern about before starting to poke into iTMS and MSN Music (or whatever that is called). Though I support their effort to prevent Apple (or any other) to change the terms after the sale is made, that Apple tries to reserve the right to do in the EULA. For that Apple might get a big fat slap...
     
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    twoodcc

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    well this doesn't seem too good. let's hope everything will get worked out
     
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    Mac

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    the French decision will weigh heavily

    What happened in France will weigh heavily into the decision. Though the Consumer Council (CC) will never admit to that it still will matter. In the beginning everyone here in Norway thought that if the CC would push too hard that Apple and its subsidiary iTMS Luxembourg would pull out, but after heavy consumer discussion it all kind of mellowed out in the summer months.

    I heavily doubt that the DRM demand from CC would be admitted to by Apple/iTMS. As for the legal and contractual language I am quite sure that Apple/iTMS will change this and thus comply with the most important demand from CC.

    Still, the French outcome will be enormously important for all of Europe, not just France and Norway.
     
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    Dr.Gargoyle

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    I don't get it....
    We in scandinavia have put up with MS for years up without raising a voice against MS's strive towards total monopoly. Now when there a new player has entered in a less profitable market and doing well...BAM!
    I just don't get it

    It makes one wonder if our honourable legislators have MS stocks
     
  8. macrumors 65816

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    Cool screw the artist!

    (you can find many artists that you can purchase music from directly... including on iTMS)
     
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    Mitthrawnuruodo

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    That's taken care of through an intricate web of taxes, duties and fees. So all music borrowed on the library can be copied and/or ripped legally by the lender (though the Library can not copy it for you), and I can even make copies for my "closest friends and relatives" of all music and movies (but not software) that I borrow, rent or buy. It's very good to be a consumer in Norway... most of the time... ;)
     
  10. macrumors regular

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    This is stupid

    I seriously don't understand why people and countries have a problems with Apple's DRM???? You don't have to buy from iTunes and if you do, you know the limitations of that download. If you don't like it, buy elsewhere... iTunes is hardly a monopoly... besides, wouldn't you rather have the CD so you can rip it into a lossless format, have the CD sleeve, etc.???

    I've purchased a lot off of iTunes and then I bought an Archos PMP. Ya it sucked that I couldn't play my iTunes music on there without burning it to CD and re-ripping it, but so what! I knew what I was getting when I downloaded from iTunes so I have no right to bitch.
     
  11. macrumors member

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    This is just one more reason why socialism doesn't work. It takes away the incentive of a company to put a product in the country, and the consumers ultimately suffer.
     
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    Stella

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    LOL.

    Nice troll.
     
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    Josias

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    Awww, they finally made it possible to buy DMB Music on Music Store. Though I don't se it much, I know many that do, and I think it would be a loss for everyone...:(

    How can a Norwegian law affect Denmark like this?:confused:
     
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    Mitthrawnuruodo

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    Gjennom EØS-avtalen... :(
     
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    Josias

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    Øv pis! Dumme Nordmand! I skal altid ødelægge det, når vi andre har det sjovt! :p

    Nah, I just hope Apple passes, like in France...:rolleyes:
     
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    dsnort

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    You want to see something really funny!. Look what happpens when you try to Access Sony's online music service on a Mac

    "We appreciate your interest in the Connect music store, but our store currently only works with Internet Explorer 5.5 and above. You don't seem to be using that particular browser at the moment, so, unfortunately, we'll have to part ways until we support the browser you're currently using or you upgrade to the latest version of Internet Explorer. Please click the Download link below if you'd like to upgrade now.
    Thank your for your interest in the Connect music store!"


    Upgrade to IE????? Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha. Those silly wabbits
     
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    dsnort

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    On a more serious note, I wonder how all this drama surrounding Apples DRM will impact the ODF argument? I mean, if you have the right to open a recording you PURCHASED on whatever type of player you wish, shouldn't you also have the right to open a document YOU CREATE, on any type of app that handles that type of data, without losing any functionality? I mean, shouldn't a Pages doc open on word without losing the formatting? Shouldn't an excel file open on Lotus? Did Steve Jobs forsee this? Is it all part of some masterplot???:eek:
     
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    Mitthrawnuruodo

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    dsnort, meet OpenDocument... ;)
     
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    dsnort

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    Oh, I know it's do-able, with enough workarounds, just like it's possible to burn iTune recordings to a CD and re-rip them into another player, a process I would call "conversion". The question in my mind is why have to convert the file at all? Why not have all the software companies supply the codes so that all other apps could open their docs with out other steps? Kind of like what the French and Norwegians want Apple to do with iTunes?
     
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    dsnort

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    For shawnce, I luv the movies of Bawl-mer
     
  21. macrumors 6502a

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    I just saw a survey that

    Denmark, Norway and Sweden are just about the happiest countries in the world. Taking the iTMS away from them ought to knock them down a few pegs!
     
  22. macrumors member

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    well if the argument was to make a completely cross-platform DRM that would work in all media players and on all portable music players, that would be fine with me- especially if napster and all other music stores were being scrutinized too. personally, i think that most people buy from the ITMS after they have an iPod because it's easy. and downloaders aren't demanding that the DRM be licensed to other music players because they are happy with the iTunes-iPod solution. i think these suits are well-intentioned but misdirected. the demand should be for completely cross-platform files- then the music player license issue would work itself out.
     
  23. macrumors 65816

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    Problem is Demark, Norway and Sweden are just the first countries to really crack down on DRM like this but they will not be the last. Pulling iTMS away from them might work right now but think long term. The 3 counties will not be the last to do it. Other will follow suit with the DRM. France will at some point get the laws passed since they are pretty close to DRM set up like that with ones that went though so it would not be much of a surpise to see France force DRM to open up there as well. I could see most of the EU at some point forcing the issue.

    Should apple pull iTMS away from every country that does that. No it will catch up to them and they will just open up to all. Problem is any country the pulled out of they burned those bridges and will have a very hard time getting back in and will more than likely lose a lot of market share long term by pulling that stunt.

    Long term the wises action is for apple to give in and just open it up because those countries are just the first and they most certanily will not be the last.
     
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    Yvan256

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    I'm really tired of hearing this. First of all, people are not forced to buy from the iTMS, CDs still exist.

    Second, the songs can be played on a Mac computer with iTunes, a Windows computer with iTunes, iPods. They can also be burned to an audio CD which can be played on millions of devices.

    How is that "iPod-only"?! :confused:
     
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    Stella

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    To use on other devices requires you to have to go through a lot of unnecessary and time consuming hoops.

    DRM should be unified - one DRM standard for ALL devices.
     

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