G4 Quicksilver vs my network

Discussion in 'Mac Basics and Help' started by bludragon3710, Feb 26, 2006.

  1. bludragon3710 macrumors newbie

    Feb 26, 2006
    Hello all,

    I just recently switched over from the windows vurse and must say it sure is nice to turn the mac on and at any givin time it.. just.. works! lol

    I have a few questions to ask tho:

    1) I have two 300gig harddrives that are TNFS formatted and i MUST keep them that way, currently their is no stable support for that filesystem under mac or linux so its evil. I cannot affor a NAS yet tho its being saved up for as we speak! My question is sence their is a stable dos version of ntfs why wouldnt i be abel to emulate dos and mount the drive through it. Or even emulate it through a saverly crippled version of windows in the background?? I tried to do it by hand but all the dos emulationg programs are confusing.

    2) Because of problem one i am sharing my mac userspace on the network and just copying files to the pc with the harddrives but i must use the pc to copy the files from the mac. I cannot access my pc shares through osx. I know the shares work on every pc in the network but osx says it cannot be opened because the original item cannot be found (under HDD>Network) Under go connect to server i just get a time out... (i made sure the mac is on the same workgroup and my pc has a password on the accounts just as the guids say) Any ideas on how to solve that quark?

    3) If problem 1 and 2 canot be solved and i must use my pc for the file transfers im faced with the problem of i have a 20gig for OSX and my userspace but a 120gig for my osx storage, how do i enable this drive to be accesed over the network?

    4) The 733 G4 Quicksilver has a cd-rw but i wanna upgrade to a dvd-rw, i have a LG super-multi 4x but osx says this drive is not supported when i put a blank cdin, yet it works fine when reading from an already made dvd... kinda odd.

    5) any cd writing tutorials for Toast? lol i press the burn button and the screen wiggles >.< sofar i go into disk utilites and make a XXXmb R/W disk image, move my files and burn it through there but its kinda time consuming!

    Well thats all my plights, if i can get these working i shall be well on my way to world domination!!!


  2. TLRedhawke macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2004
    1) I don't even understand this question, can you please rephrase? Why do they need to stay NTFS? What do you want to do with DOS?

    2) This is actually pretty common, and I've never much understood it. As I recall, it has more to do with the sharing preferences on Windows than anything else. If you don't make specific Windows folders Shared, OS X won't touch them. As for why it times out, I'm not sure. Try not to Connect to Server, but rather, just open up the Network in the Finder, and browse for the computer. If you're using dynamic IP, the address might have changed. I'm presuming these are all networked through a router?

    3) Once you turn on Windows Sharing in the Sharing Preferences, Windows will be able to access all of your volumes, excluding external devices. You don't need to share specific folders a la Windows. It just makes everything accessible.

    4) Since Macs don't often have their optical drives swapped out, the OS isn't built for them to be. All you really need to do is run a utility called Patch Burn. It takes over what would otherwise be Terminal work. The list of devices needs to be altered to delete the old device, so that OS X will actually recognize a new drive, rather than just assuming the old one is still there. The utility is freeware, and nearly always solves the issue.

    5) One doesn't need a tutorial for burning with Toast. It's actually drag and drop. The "wiggling", as you call it, is the same thing OS X does if you try to log in with the wrong username or password. That is, it shakes its head "No". What it usually means is that Toast hasn't been installed correctly, or that a crack has been improperly applied. If it's a pirated copy, the crack you used isn't sufficient. If it's a retail copy, reinstall it.
  3. bludragon3710 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 26, 2006
    Hey, thanks for the reply.

    1) The reason i must keep both my 300gig harddrives in the NTFS filesystem is because all of my users are on windows clients. Windows only supports FAT and NTFS so i have no choice. Im using a mac soly to manage files, update and script as it is much more stable, secure, and virus prone. My emulation idea was me typing out loud. My idea was sence only windows has the ability to use the NTFS filesystem would it be possible to run a small install of say windows 2000 in the background, mount the NTFS drive in windows and use a virtual forlder to adress the virtual windows machine. I am currently useing that method on my linux box but it cosumes an enourmous amount of resources. Hence me wanting to use dos.

    2) Only spacific folders can be shared? U happen to know what they are and whats their supposta be labeled as?

    3) Browsing the macs files through a pc machine works great but it only lists my userspace and shared printers. I cannot see the second harddrive. I have windows sharing enabeled at the administration level and not just for my user. The other solution is moving my userspace to the second harddrive, but i cannot find an option anywere that allows me to do that. Its pretty annoying having to empty your os harddrive every few hours so not to fill it up, preferable i would want all the saves and temp work to goto the second and much larger harddrive. Yes i could just run the one 120gig but i like to keep my os and files on seperate drives for security and safety.

    4) Thanks for that info, i will try that method out this week.

    5) I reinstalled and think because i did an install off a backup dvd it thought my usb dvd was the main drive. I coppied the install and ran it with the drive off and it recognized the internal cd-rw instead of just the image recorder thanks.
  4. TLRedhawke macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2004
    1) Interesting, though insanely complex solution for administrating those lonely 2 NTFS drives. Your idea would work, but it'll be a resource hog. Are the Windows clients booting from the drives, or just using them as storage? Macs will read NTFS volumes, but just won't write to them. Windows can be made to read HFS volumes, but won't boot from them. If the space is being used purely for storage, formatting the space as FAT32 would work, but if it's used for booting anything post Windows 98, it'll grind to a halt in a hurry. This one is indeed a quandry....

    2) You misunderstood me. You can share any Windows folders you want (or a whole drive for that matter), but you have to explicitly make them Shared (and deal with Windows's rampant warning messages as to the security issues supposedly involved with such). If you go into the Properties of any folder or drive, you can make it a Shared volume.

    3) Hmm...I just did some more searching, and apparently this requires a bit of Terminal work, but the full description can be found here: http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/06/03/macosxhints.html. Just scroll down to Hint 16-5.
  5. bludragon3710 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 26, 2006
    1) I come from the windows univers so its always fun to do theings the terribly difficult way lol. If i had my way i would turn the 300gigs in a journalizes filesystem but windows ext3 support is still pretty scarry. I didnt think windows was able to read an HFS storage drive. Is is like the ext3 patch that loads a driver to 'inturert' before it passes to the windows kernel? Good info to know tho. One of the 300gigs has windows terminal server and all the used applications while the other is for file storage but in the next year i will be properly overhauling the setup and putting everything in a proper rack and use unix to host the whole shabang.

    2) I did misread that, and file sharing is finally working as it should

    3) Major help thanks, I forgot osx was based off nextsetp/unix and should have thought of poking around the .config files but i know have my 2nd mac harddrive shared.

    You been a great help, thanks.

    One question is sence osx is nextstep/unix does it have native support of ext2/ext3/riserfs and the such? I can easily compile march kernel versions of the drivers needed but not sure if their loaded the same as common unix enviroments or has apple put a spin on things?
  6. trainguy77 macrumors 68040

    Nov 13, 2003
  7. TLRedhawke macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2004
    1) Yes, it is an interpretation driver more than a native recognition, and it requires a plugin. Since you're running Terminal Server, NTFS is really your only option. So, alas, not a happy situation. The Mac should be able to talk to the Terminal Server, but that gets ugly a good chunk of the time. Windows Server varieties don't exactly like speaking to much beyond their clients. Hm...I'm not entirely sure how to go about this, short of the overhaul. OS X does fully support ext3/ext2, but might need an add-on to support RiserFS. You can also install, and boot a Mac from a UFS partition.
  8. bludragon3710 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 26, 2006
    Thanks trainguy77, some good apps to keep around.

    I had an idea last night, sence none of the windows server products like to share any files and always want to encrypt anything sent i went to a local used show and bought a celeron 566mhz, 128ram, no harddrive or optical for $10. ill throw in my silicon image ata133 controler card and a small os harddrive and use a very minimal windows 2000 install for a centeral file server. As with windows if you try to mix storage/dns/dhcp/ftp etc the chances of errors sextupples. I would like to purchase a NAS as they are os nutral. If you can use samba the world will see it but i cant find any that support ntfs or drive striping.

    On an off topic i have a imac keyboard from a rev.d 333mhz and the keys are not really sticky but just really stiff, sometimes it will miss a letter. Common problem maybe but my solution of soking it in soapy water overnight, rinsing and let dry for a weekend didnt really make a difference at all. And yes i am to cheep to buy even the $40 wired g5 type lol

    And thanks again.

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