Garageband is useless...

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  1. Torajima macrumors regular

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    without the ability to export songs as midi files and/or raw aif files.

    Yes, I know this app is geared to novices, but to what end? You can't actually compose with it, as anything you create with it can't be used outside of Garageband and iTunes.

    At best, the app is a tutorial for working with digital music, but I think even novices are going to outgrow it's limitations rather quickly.
     
  2. C14ru5 macrumors member

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    Where does it say that you can't export to AIFF?

    I believe that, unless Garage Band has a specific preference setting for this, Garage Band would use the same export setting that iTunes uses as import setting. In other words, it should be no problem to export to AIFF. Even SoundTrack does such a thing, and SoundTrack is mainly a video app and not an audio app. If you are talking about multichannel mixdown: Just export two and two tracks at a time, muting the other tracks along the way.
     
  3. Torajima thread starter macrumors regular

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    The initial reviews I've read have said no import or export to MIDI or AIFF.

    It's a shame too, as I was hoping to use Garageband as a musical scratchpad and import the data into a Pro App for more extensive editing later.
     
  4. Torajima thread starter macrumors regular

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    Correction

    It does look like you can export an entire song (but not individual tracks) as an aif.

    Unfortunately, this won't help me much... as a keyboard player, I deal almost exclusively with midi. I need to be able to import/export midi. It's pretty silly that Apple left this out...
     
  5. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    One thing to consider is that this is the first version of the software. It will evolve over time, especially with feedback from the users. I wouldn't go bashing something you haven't used yourself yet, just wait and see.

    Also, food for thought - GarageBand is effectively an iApp. There's no reason not to believe that Apple would have in the works a Pro level version in the works or on the way soon. I'm a little optimistic here - it just seems that to go to all the work to make an App like GarageBand and give it limits or restriction to what you can do only indicates that a more expensive version, say StudioBand is waiting in the wings for all interested to purchase at a nice price.

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  6. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    Maybe, but this is a 1st gen app, there will probably be lots of bugs and things that have been left out which people will notice over time. Give it a chance, it's not even officially out yet (is it? 16th I thought?).

    edit: damn u mr. anderson, u beat me to the whole 1st gen thing :mad: :p
     
  7. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    edesignuk - Jinx!

    haha, damn funny when that happens :D

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  8. Trekkie macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah I know I always have said I need to export to MIDI.

    Those are those little files that you used to play on your computer back in 1990 or so that made it sort of sound like a musical instrument and that you annoy people by having it play them when they load websites right?

    :rolleyes:

    Buy Soundtrack if you want something that makes AIFF files. Garageband is for the rest of us that want to dink around, make soundtracks for our home movies, make soundtracks for our iPhoto slide shows, and burn them to DVDs.

    They're also for those of us that plan on using it to introduce their children to music since they've not bought a Piano yet.

    Not to mention there are more things than garageband and iTunes that play AAC files.
     
  9. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Well, Apple sorta does have a prolevel dgital audio workspace called Logic. With the $230 logic big box, you can do EVERYTHING including exporting to pro-tools files for mixdown and what not.

    If you don't like Garage Band, go out and buy Reason and Logic. Not that much cash for two TRUE pro apps!
     
  10. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Cool, didn't realize that Moxie - thanks.

    Uh, pink eh? Figured you more for black...;)

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  11. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Yea. I'm actually more for white. I just couldn't resist a avatar of the iPod Mini that looks like it would cure your stomach ailment.

    iPepto.... all the way

    btw:

    http://www.apple.com/software/pro/logic/

    It's the shizz....
     
  12. OneDeadPixel macrumors newbie

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    Useless

    I think calling Garageband useless is harsh. Maybe it's not useful to YOU but there are plenty of OTHER people who will get a lot of use out of it.

    Also, I know for a fact that Apple is working on a Pro Audio App. Think of Garageband as "iMovie for making and recording music". The "Final Cut for making and recording music" is on its way and that's probably what you're looking for... unless you're just another "Forum Bitch" that likes to complain about everything.
     
  13. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Re: Useless

    I know for a fact you're wrong about apple working on a pro-audio app—unless you're talking about Logic. :)

    Audio people are more resistent to change than deisgners. The only way Apple can barge in on that niché is how they did it—by buying Logic.
     
  14. OneDeadPixel macrumors newbie

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    Maybe it's based on Logic, but I didn't ask. I was told that it will blow away Pro Tools and cost under $1000.
     
  15. tjwett macrumors 68000

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    Pro version of GarageBand?!?!? Have you all gone mad? Why can't anyone grasp the concept that LOGIC is the next step up form GarageBand. Apple borrowed a little functionality and technology from Logic and put together GarageBand with it. It is a toy for playing with at home. It is not for doing real work with. That is, unless you plan to release an album of AAC quality tunes that are built around a bunch of bundled loops and synth presets.
     
  16. Ensoniq macrumors regular

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    I've seen this posted on a lot of other sites...the fact that GarageBand can't do <insert feature here> that it means it "sucks".

    I'm a musician who has been playing keyboards for over 25 years now. I am not a pro, I play simply for my own enjoyment. But I do write music, having composed my first song at age 7.

    But as into my Mac as I am, I have actually NEVER used my keyboards with a computer before. It always seemed like the software was more complicated than needed, so I settled for my synth's built-in sequencer and drums and kept it simple. Nothing I'd ever seen really got me "worked up".

    After seeing GarageBand, I'm dying to get it and hook up my synth to the Mac. Maybe there is better software with more features available already, but nothing that ever got my atttention. GarageBand got me EXCITED...and these forums prove that I am not alone. And for $49, it's going to be a big hit with musicians of all skill levels.

    Some of what GarageBand 1.0 is missing will be added to 2.0 ... other features will remain missing on purpose so Apple doesn't kill SoundTrack and Logic sales. That is how it's always been for the iApps with ProApp counterparts.

    iMovie and Final Cut Express aren't "useless" just because Final Cut 4 has more features. The same applies to the GarageBand/SoundTrack/Logic trio. Choose the software that works best for you, and so will the rest of us. :)
     
  17. CmdrLaForge macrumors 68040

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    Even so I am playing guitar and cannot more agree. For me GB really looks like the App I have been waiting for. I really cannot understand why there is so much complaing about a great App at a even much greater price. If you need more then get it ! Buy Logic Audio 6 ! Or Digital Performer or whatever suits your needs
    Cheers
     
  18. tjwett macrumors 68000

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    i really have no response to your post, just that your name is Ensoniq. are you a fan of the old Ensoniq keyboards and samplers? not a day goes by that i don't miss my trusty ASR-10, EPS, and ASR X Pro. that was one of the best companies of the era. shame e-mu bought them and destroyed them.:(
     
  19. Torajima thread starter macrumors regular

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    The iMovie and FCE comparison simply doesn't hold water. I can start a project in iMovie and finish it in Final Cut Express or any other "Pro" video app.

    But once you've created something in Garageband, that's it. You're done. Because, unlike iMovie, YOU CAN NOT EXPORT GARAGEBAND PROJECTS TO OTHER APPLICATIONS.

    The ability to import and export midi and audio tracks is a rather stupid omission, even for an application aimed at "novices".
     
  20. Wonder Boy macrumors 6502a

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    or own only g3's and be forced to use the only one that works!
     
  21. rueyeet macrumors 65816

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    Well, why not? I've heard more than one electronic-based band that sounds pretty much like that's all they're doing. I've really begun to suspect that a lot of supposedly "pro" level audio creation these days relies more on software proficiency than musical talent, anyway.

    If Trent could kick off Nine Inch Nails with so little kit, what may a truly talented person be able to do even with something relatively limited as GarageBand? So it's not really pro-level, it DOES bring some degree of music creation tools within the reach of the ordinary user....and to me, pro vs bogus should be defined by results, not equipment.

    If a rank amateur can put something together that sounds even halfway professional with something like GarageBand, then how "pro" are the pros?

    But it all remains to be seen...what with the app not actually, y'know, being OUT yet and stuff. :rolleyes:
     
  22. jfg@forum macrumors newbie

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    Re: Useless

     
  23. Torajima thread starter macrumors regular

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    Re: Re: Useless

     
  24. coolsoldier macrumors 6502

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    OK, I've heard that GB files work in iTunes... if this is the case, wouldn't iTunes "Convert to AIFF..." feature take care of this?

    Edit: Also, iMovie can import (and thus with a little work convert) anything you can have in your iTunes library.
     
  25. jfg@forum macrumors newbie

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    Talk Apple's language - money

    Perhaps we need to talk Apple's language - money. Give us a GarageBand that can export to Logic and you will sell more versions of Logic.
     

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