I was just looking for some helpful pointers to improve my pages with and possibly learn something new. I know you guys generally don't like frames so please don't dwell on them too much. When designing a site I try to make them easy to maintain and give them a nice feel without too many graphics. Rower's organicallydigital, is ideal to me. It looks nice, is clean and not too busy, easy to navigate, and loads quickly. First off is a site that I did for a local church. Nothing fancy, I just wanted something easy to maintain. http://www.moseslakechristianchurch.com/ Secondly, was an update to my old home page that was just terrible. Some of the old site is still there and I know that is hurting it. http://www.lakesidevilla.gotdns.com/welcome/ Last but not least is a test site I did for SilentPanda. If he likes it he may use it (or part of it) in his xcodetutor.com site. So far I think I like this one the best. http://www.lakesidevilla.gotdns.com/xcode/ Thanks for the input.