German elected officials being ignored by Bush

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    Report: Washington plans to bypass Schröder



    According to a report in_the_German newsweekly_Focus, U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly told a high-level German visitor that the White House would continue to ostracize German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder because of his opposition to the war in Iraq. Rice was quoted as saying that relations between the two countries were slowly getting back on track,_but suggested that the chancellor would be left out of any negotiations. The magazine_reported that Rice said_Bush was aware of Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's past as a leftist street fighter turned politician and does not believe he is suited to be a statesman.


    Once again GW & Co. have decided that they control internal politics, not the Germans. Their blatant disregard for the democratic process in a friendly country is mind boggling. GW refused to congratulate Schroeder on his election win. Something virtually unheard of amongst NATO members. His pettiness and spitefulness bely his christian faith and have virtually no precedence in American history. Is there any more doubt that Bush is attempting to divide and weaken the EU?
     
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    it's more evidence that bush is a sociopath.

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    What is Bush trying to achieve with this?
     
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    What's worse is that they get by with this incredible arrogance and disrespect of foreign nations. They try to conquer the entire world. Now, for example, they get all the (personal) passenger data from foreign airlines entering the U.S. by simply threatening them to deny entry to them. They sabotage the European version of GPS (Galileo) and demand control over Galileo. They do so many incredibly ridiculous "in your face" things, and they make the U.S. look really bad.
    What bothers me is that this policy keeps many of us from ever traveling to the U.S., as long as this Bush regime is in power. This may not bother many, but it prepares the ground for much more conflict, violence, and terrorism. Which may just be what they're after...
     
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    I think from now on I should start every reply on the political threads with an apology to the rest of the world.

    I apologize on behalf of the majority of americans who did not vote for Bush. Don't hate us because of the hard line regime currnetly holding power, they're only temporary.
     
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    I think nobody would hate the people living in a country for what their governments do. Many countries have an occasional "bad" government. It happens, and in some instances it happens with a tremendous amount of damage, as we Germans can tell.
    This is the test for a democratic system: can the people see a problem and respond , before the situation gets so bad that it couldn't be corrected for a long, long time?
     
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    That's hilarious. Bush doesn't believe someone else is suited to be a statesman. Does he even know the meaning of the word?
     
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    Nobody here holds you responsible for your government. I don't hold any americans responsible, only the ones that are in the government.
    Your gesture is nice. I'm happy to see that americans don't want their country to be respresented the way Bush does.
    What do the majority of the americans feel about the way things are going in the Bsuh administration? I'm curious.
    I do hope you get a regime change and that the new president will apologize to the rest of the world, shake hands with other worldleaders, so we can get on with this millennium.
    Peace.
     
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    I wonder how suited a former Alcholic drug abuser who deserted his post during a war is to being a statesman.

    Hell how suited is such a person to even being a politician. No wait that eminently qualifies him to be a politian. :p
     
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    That depends somewhat on where you're from. I'm in Denver now, and people I know here generally think he's an ass, but I was in Dallas last semester, and some of them think he can do no wrong. What's amazing is that there are people who honestly, truly believe that the solution to our problems is to kill those we don't like, and dismiss those who disagree. I was completely shocked by some of the attitudes I encountered in Dallas.

    At the moment, his aproval ratings are still fairly high, and will probably stay that way until our economy collapses. Also, I think the timing of the Iran regime change will correspond to sometime in mid-2004, just in time for peak election season.
     
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    Brainwash enough people and we have a WW3 on our hands.
    But I don't think that will happen. Countries are a lot less self supporting than they used to be, economies depend on each other. Money wins.
     
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    I knew this sort of thing was bound to happen when Gore called Bush and withdrew his concession. Bush apparently cussed and slammed the phone down. Not exactly a good start to a presidency. Gore took the vote problem like a man, he dealt with it within the system. Bush got mad, and the republicans unleashed a huge spin machine trying to make it look like the democrats were the ones "stealing the election." No one was stealing anything, they just did an election challenge, yet they were characterized as thieves.

    Anyway, the long and the short of it is that Bush's temper is something we've seen now far too many times, considering he's the president and is supposed to be the role model for the country.

    Nice rolemodel. There may be a rash of columbines if todays kids see bush as a rolemodel.
     
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    70% approval ratings. Scrub. Rinse. Repeat. :)

    Americans enjoy being brainwashed, it means we no longer have to think for ourselves. Just tell us where to shoot...
     
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    Re: German elected officials being ignored by Bush

    BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH. You people crack me up. I have forgotten how funny this forum was! Seriously. EVERYTHING that is printed at some second rate web site is golden. Who friggin cares. Have you people never heard of diplomatic pressure. Thank God we have a President that does. It is amazing to me that you cannot understand how international politics works. If we put pressure, we can get our way. That is all this is.
     
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    Bull**** mcrain! Gore told Bush that he was withdrawing his concession. Bush asked why. Gore said his people told him that he had really won Florida. Bush said that his brother assured him that the count was accurate and that he had won the state. Gore yelled "your brother doesn't decide this election" and then hung up on GW. I have family that was there. Bush never got mad, and never yelled at Gore. As for the election challenge. As an attorney you should be able to understand that the protocal that the Dems were using were not on the books prior to the election. Gee, lets change the law after the election from the bench. Come on, you are swifter than that aren't you ;)
     
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    The reports at the time had Bush yelling at Gore. If that was reversed, then I'm wrong.

    As for the election challenge, it was a procedure allowed for under Florida law. The supreme court of the state of florida held that its law allowed for the election challenge, as it was. It wasn't until a federal court stepped in and interpreted state law (inappropriately, by the way), that Bush's challenge to the challenge was granted.
     
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    Ah, the good debate comes ;)

    Yea, Gore was nearly hysterical during that call. As for the election challenge. Yep, they could challenge the election. But that is just it, they did not do it according to election law. Election law called for a recount (which happened). That was all that it allowed in Presidential elections. It did not allow for recounts of discarded ballots. Remember, a ballot is not a vote. As a citizen you have the duty to ensure that your ballot becomes a vote. We do not have the right to vote, we have the right to cast a ballot which becomes a vote. If we fail to do so, the ballot is not counted. That is why the state court was legislating from the bench. That is the only reason the Supreme Court was involved. Had they called for another statewide count, then they could do so, but not make up rules, and "laws from the bench" to decide what would, could, or should be counted. Now, had the laws been different prior to the election, then yes, a manual count of discarded ballots with a medium to determine the intent of the voter would have been legal ;)
     
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    Yup! Especially when you are around!!! :D

    To call "Focus" a second rate website is indeed interesting! I thought you are so well informed about everything? What was your favourite source again? FoxNews??? :D :rolleyes:

    You mean that's why Bush is kissing Chiracs ass now, even though the french opposition to the war in Iraq was much more problematic since they are permanent member in the security council?

    What is that pressure good for now? The war is over. This is just some cheap revenge because Bush doesn't like Schröder. And since he doesn't need him for anything in the near future (unlike the French in the security council) he's just kicking him a little bit around for fun.

    Yes, a really fine president you have... you can be soooo proud of him! :rolleyes:

    Herr, schmeiß Hirn vom Himmel!

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    I've got to disagree with you. I defended an election challenge, and whole point is to determine the number of votes (as you said). However, the way you do that is to examine what are considered votes to determine if any of them should have been thrown out, and you also examine ballots that were thrown out to determine if any of them were improperly thrown out. Otherwise, an election challenge is nothing more than wasted time.
     
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    Link?

    Since we have different memories of the event, why not take a look at the section entitled "Serenity or detachment?"

    So, are you sure that Gore was the one who was hysterical during the second phone call when he retracted his concession. That actually makes no sense. Gore calls to say the vote is too close, therefore he has to retract his concession. Bush was then super calm and understanding, which somehow caused Gore to be hysterical?

    That just doesn't add up for me. But, if you have a link that indicates Gore was hysterical, I'd be happy to change my tune.
     
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    George will be your next president since the demo's cant field a candidate. Also i'm glad how the President is handling those idiots from france and germany. Way to go Mr President. We dont have to bow down to these foreign politicians who embrace socialism at all cost. Germany/ France will have a price to pay for backing Saddam, ignoring NATO and basically not standing for anything that we hold true such as liberty and freedom.
     
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    Thanks for the compliment! :D ;)

    No further comment needed. :cool:

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    iam not calling all frenchmen or germans idiots just the elected officials and idiots who elected them! What do these weasels stand for?what are their values or do they have any?as far as the last election goes the electoral college said bush won so get over it and start looking for a good candidate. Gore was the Demo's best chance and since he is not running it looks like another 4 for old I love America, G.W.BUSH.
     
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    George was asking them to bow down to him, not the other way around. He failed to do so. If you would take a closer look at Europe today you will notice that european socialism has dramatically changed. Just like America has moved from democracy to capitalism so has Europe moved away from strict socialism towards a more humanist approach to government. Accusing the Europeans of being little more than commies does little to further your argument. Clearly you are here to vent your anger, nothing else.

    What price do you recommend they pay? Since when has disagreement become grounds for penalty? I thought this was the land of free speech?

    Our founding fathers held that liberty and freedom were true only for white US-born males. Are you suggesting we return to such standards?
     
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    socialism and communism are very close please dont forget. In both systems government does everything or is supposed to for the individual. In capitalism the individual works for his or her money and keeps more. in socialism govt gets more taxes,individual keeps less. What do you think broke communism??? the individual had no motivation for work, you get paid for sitting on your but the same you get paid for working. But in capitalism the more i work the more i make, the more i make the more i have for my family etc. I prefer Govt getting the hell out of my life not entrenching itself in everything i do and then grabbing all it can so some deadbeat can sit on his a-- while i work to keep him fed. This is the downfall of socialism/communism. There has to be motivation for the individual and if you get paid the same for sitting on your butt as you do for working hard where is your motivation? capitalism motovates the individual where communism/socialism do not.
     

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