I was just checking out CNET and saw their review of the Gigabeat and then saw the link at the bottom for their review of the new Creative Zen. Now barring the obvious lack of integration with a program as good as iTunes for both, the lack of AAC support on the Gigabeat and the lack of Mac compatibility from Creative, what do you all think (as objectively as possible) about these other units. I think they both seem like nice units that were I more Windows-based I'd seriously consider. I especially like the 16 GB capacity in the Zen and that it has a SD card expansion slot (for only $50 more). But compatibility issues still leave me into the Nano RED 8GB. Anyway, I thikn the competition is definitely improving and hopefully that only pushes Apple to keep upping the ante...we shall see.