Girls charged with conspiring to kill classmates, Oprah

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  1. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    the over-reaction here just stuns me. where is the actual crime? how many times in high school did someone mouth off that they were going to kill someone? daily, actually. how many times were they serious? zero.

    if anyone thinks they were seriously going to go after oprah, they should look at the line that says "energizer bunny". sheesh. what a culture of fear we live in!
     
  2. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    my gosh, i could understand even if the girls had a history of violence. but this is just stupidity and fear reactions. they didn't do anything. i say the word 'kill' daily in regards to how i feel about people. its a term used to express frustration. simple as that. why not get these girls to talk to the school consolers first? isn't pressing charges ultimately more damaging to their lives?
     
  3. ITASOR macrumors 601

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    Their list has the Energizer Bunny on it and they only question whether it's a joke or not? :confused:
     
  4. TequilaBoobs macrumors 6502a

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    the energizer bunny does exist, just go to their headquarters to see him.

    i think they should lock up those two teens and throw away the key.
     
  5. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    When I was in middle school A couple of friends and I built a Doom II level that replicated our middle school's layout. We put different mosters in certain "classrooms" to represent teachers and students we didn't like, and put the final boss in the "office". We switched the soundtrack to a MIDI file of Nine Inch Nails' "Closer".

    My computer teacher laughed when we showed him, but these days I might very well find myself in jail for doing that.:rolleyes:

    It's a different world.
     
  6. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    indeed, Blackadder, you know you'd probably be suspended/expelled and require a good deal of therapy. you could never grow up and be well adjusted if you did such things, now could you. :rolleyes:


    btw, thats awesome. i loved creating my own lvls.
     
  7. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Probably!

    I don't know about prison or jail time... but early intervention is better than sobbing later if these girls do end up being killers... I know that there's a lot of sense of stifling as a result of the new way of doing things, but it's hardly reasonable to believe that it is impossible to have fun in high school without plotting to kill someone. I think we have to deal with it and adapt. And not take incidents like this as lightly as we had in the past. But also deal with them in a reasonable and responsible manner.

    These girls are going to be adults at some point. Making lists of people and plotting to kill them, in jest, or seriously, is not acceptable adult behavior.
     
  8. emw macrumors G4

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    To be fair, there have been a reasonably significant number of publicized school shootings in the past couple of years, and I don't fault the administrators and police for taking this more seriously than they might have back in "our" days.

    Sure, kids say and do stupid things. But making lists of people they would like to "kill" - either figuratively or in reality - is a little overboard.

    If the administrators laughed this off because the list contains the Energizer Bunny, and the girls come in a do something violent, we'd all be asking how they missed such sure signs.

    Besides, in today's litigious world, it's much more difficult for officials to make decisions on the degree of an issue since they face the fear of being sued if they make the "wrong" choice.
     
  9. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I totally agree. But if this happened in 1994 they would have all gotten detentions, or maybe in-school suspensions plus a few chats with the guidance counselor. These days people take every thing literally in an extreme "better safe than sorry" way.

    I'm a teaching assistant in a social sciences class right now with 240 college freshmen. Yesterday the prof asked the class, "raise your hand if you have killed somebody virtually in the last 24 hours". About 70% of the males raised their hand, and maybe 10% of the females. So where does play behavior end and dangerous behavior begin?

    On the other hand, if I was a school administrator, nothing could be worse than a school shooting by students, so prosecuting these girls would be the lesser of two evils.
     
  10. zimv20 thread starter macrumors 601

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    your point is well taken, but there's a large gap between intervention and filing charges of "homicide conspiracy".

    and who knows -- maybe there was an investigation and they've got some real evidence. but if they're tried on nothing more than that list itself, i'd say someone went way overboard.
     
  11. TequilaBoobs macrumors 6502a

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    if youre dumb enough to create deathwish lists after the number of school shootings in the past few years, then you deserve to be locked up. Common sense can go a long way in keeping most people out of jail.

    im sure oprah has hired the best assassin to off those two girls. did they think they could mess with the most powerful woman alive?
     
  12. killmoms macrumors 68040

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    Their problem is that instead of using kill as a non-serious expression of arrogance (for instance: "[Whoever] should be dragged out into the street and shot"), they said "we should kill [whoever]." If they'd made a list of people who "ought to be killed" which included real people as well as absurd targets like celebrities and corporate mascots, I doubt they'd have been taken nearly as seriously.

    I'd say the fact that the Energizer Bunny was on the list, combined with the info that they have apparently no posession of weapons and no violent histories, proves that they didn't really have any intent to commit criminal homicide. They just made a bad choice about their words and then made them public in an era of paranoia.
     
  13. zimv20 thread starter macrumors 601

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    wow. what's next on your own hit list, Thought Crime?
     
  14. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    True. Although, if it happened in 2002, "conclusive evidence" of their role as Al Queda "sleeper agents" would have been revealed, placing them firmly on the "axis of evil," and they would be at Gitmo as "non-combatants" to this day. :D
     
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    there was a movie about this with Tom Cruise, but the title escapes me.
    but if there was someway we could indict people based on their thoughts, i would endorse it.
     
  16. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Erm...Minority Report?
     
  17. TequilaBoobs macrumors 6502a

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    ding ding correct! youve won my gratitude, respect!
     
  18. zimv20 thread starter macrumors 601

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    okay, now i know you're kidding.
     
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    Big Brother called, he wants his oppression back.
     
  20. thedude110 macrumors 68020

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    We can only hope said gap is filled with counselors, specialists and social workers.

    I hope there is as great an investigation of the social context of the school, the degree to which these girls were bullied -- in obvious and more subtle ways -- and their home lives.

    So. We hope they learn, grow, and move on. And meet a judge and jury with a modicum of sense.

    Toward Blackadder's point -- it would be interesting to know how many of our colleagues have kept, or currently keep, hit lists. I bet we might be surprised -- though perhaps unjustifiably -- by the answer.
     
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    In middle school, a few years ago, one of my friends had a death list or hate list or something that he kept online in this "extended profile" thing that was popular at the time. He kept it up for a few years, then suddenly, out of nowhere he finally got bored and deleted it!!!!!! :eek:
     
  22. emw macrumors G4

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    Although there are certainly people I'd prefer not to have to deal with, I can honestly say I've never kept a hit list of colleagues or others I know.
     
  23. solvs macrumors 603

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    Gotta be.

    While I do think people should be held accountable for their words, especially specifics like this, I agree that it's overkill. There's a fine line between threats and free speech. Maybe the police and administrators can do their jobs and actually see if this is a valid threat first before ruining these girls lives for their poor choices of words.
     

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