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GOD HELP ME.... PLEEEEASE [eMac wifi problems]

Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by AP_piano295, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. macrumors 65816

    Brand new emac came in yesterday pluged it in everything seemed to be working fine. Love how it looks even if it is big :). Then I tried to wirelessly hook it up to our wireless rounter... NO GO the emac doesnt seem to be picking up our wireless or any of the other wireless rounters around our house. I am running an 80211b rounter and I know this will work on macs because my friends ibook hooks into it easily. PLEASE HELP IF I HAVE TO SEND THIS BACK AND WAIT FOR IT ALL..... OVER...... AGAIN.... grrrrrr :mad:
  2. macrumors Core

    Jaffa Cake

    Forgive me for asking a really, really stupid question, but you did get a BTO with an airport card? The eMac, unlike the iBook, doesn't come supplied with a card as standard.

    Like I say, sorry for the daft question but I always like to rule out the most obvious solutions first... :) ;)
  3. macrumors 65816

    yup deffinitely an airport card..
  4. Moderator emeritus

    mad jew

    Have you checked to see it's lodged in properly? Does it recognise any wireless networks and not connect or does it just flatly not see them?
  5. macrumors regular

    Excuse the simplicity of this answer. Have a look along the top right of the menu bar. If you have airport, there should be an Airport symbol (little arches going up from small to large). If you have signal, the arches will be black, if they are grey then you don't. If you have no signal you may need to tinker with the network settings... but it should "just work".
  6. macrumors G4


    i suspect the ariel is not plugged in.
  7. macrumors 65816

    is this a common issue?
    please understand I dont want to be tearing it apart unless it can be avoided brand new and all :)
  8. macrumors 65816

    yes I have an airport symbol no black bars see above post
  9. macrumors 65816

    it see's no other wireless networks though I know there are several within range of our house
  10. Moderator emeritus

    mad jew

    If you download this widget, does it find any networks?
  11. Moderator


    Staff Member

    Another obvious one but are your wireless networks broadcasting their SSIDs? (i.e. are they in hidden mode or not). If they are hidden you will need to type in the name of the network.
  12. Moderator emeritus

    mad jew


    That's where I thought the widget might help because it wont pick up non-SSID-broadcasting networks, right?
  13. Moderator


    Staff Member

    I don't see any reason why it should. I thought the whole point about not broadcasting your SSID was that your network was "invisible" (although you can still see the traffic using the correct tools). I think that widget will only see what the standard airport tools can see.
  14. Moderator emeritus

    mad jew


    That's what I hoped. The widget can then rule out any errors on the eMac software-side meaning the problem is most likely wither that there are no broadcast SSIDs or that the card isn't seated properly.
  15. macrumors regular

    Try calling applecare, they should be able to help you over the phone.
  16. weg
    macrumors 6502a


    No. Simply not sending your SSID doesn't make your network safer. Tools like Kismet http://www.kismetwireless.net/ are able to detect such cloaked wireless networks. Even restricting the MAC addresses of the computers that are allowed to connect doesn't help - MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. Encryption is the only way to secure your WLAN.. alas, the current encryption isn't very strong. So, basically WLANs simply cannot be made safe.
  17. Moderator


    Staff Member

    I realise all of that. Each thing you do to make it more difficult to hack your network makes it more likely that the "evil hackers" will target your next door neighbour though. Not broadcasting your SSID is enough to stop your generic bandwidth leach (especially with MAC address locking).
  18. macrumors 6502a


    my guess is if he had a non-broadcasting ssid, he would know it because that is not the default for any vendor i know. same with mac filtering. and yes, with heavy traffic i have gotten a wep key in under 10 minutes. however, due to a totally different encryption scheme, wpa is much (read: really really hard) to crack in a short period of time (read: less than a day). no encryption is perfect, but any is better than none.

    my wireless wardriving efforts have all been on linux, but the principles of setup are the same. if the default os wireless is not working, the best way to see if your card is working is to get a 3rd party wireless option. If kismac is anything like kismet, give it a whirl. It will pick up all broadcasting and non-broadcasting in range no matter what the settings are. If that picks up nothing or doesn't recognize a card, you can go from there.

    Also, have your friend come over or anyone with a wireless card and make sure that your router is up at the time you try to connect, just to be sure.
  19. macrumors 65816

    how often are airport extremes faulty?
  20. macrumors 68020

    Never, in my experience.

    However, sometimes, the card isn't seated properly (can dislodge during shipping). It's an easy fix, and doesn't involve "tearing the computer apart". It may be worth trying, as it's a common issue and would prevent it from working.

    Here's your instructions.

  21. macrumors 65816

    if the card was dislodged would you still get an indication that you have a card?
  22. macrumors 68000


    I don't think so, what does the Apple system profiler say?
    Does it say you have a card?
  23. Moderator emeritus

    mad jew


    Probably not. It depends how much it's dislodged though. Most likely, if it is dislodged, there'll be no data transfer between it and the eMac so the eMac will not know it is there.
  24. macrumors 65816

    yes just no signal
  25. macrumors newbie

    Did you try to manually connect to your network? Click on the airport symbol on the menu bar, then click on "other." Enter your network name, password, etc.

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