Greenpeace Rates Apple 4th Worst Eco-Friendly Tech Business, Apple Responds

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Does Greenpeace's rating of Apple concern you?

  1. Yes, enough for me to change my buying habits.

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  2. Yes, but not enough for me to change my buying habits.

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    Late last week, environmental watchdog Greenpeace released their Guide to Greener Electronics (pdf) which rates how eco-friendly different tech companies are based on publicly available information. Apple scored 4th lowest, beating only Leveno, Motorola, and Acer. Among the top-scorers were Nokia and Dell.

    News.com has received a statement from Apple responding to the Greenpeace claims.

    Apple does note that their LCD monitors do contain small amounts of mercury, which they are working to find a suitable alternative for. Apple began an expanded computer recycling program in April 2006. Apple has had an iPod recycling program in the US since 2005.

    Apple's annual shareholder meetings have seen frequent protests from environmental groups (2005, 2006).
     
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    :(

    This is a real bummer to me. I pride myself on making as little an impact on the environment as I can, but make my living using computers to make music... and I use all Apple products... so I'm feeling really guilty about this right now.
     
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    oh

    Boo hoo. its a business, waht do they realistically expect?
     
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    I sure do appreciate Dell for this!
    If only they had making better quality products as their first priority!
     
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    dextertangocci

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    How can Apple be 4th lowest:eek:

    At least their products are good quality, unlike Dell's crappy computers.

    BTW, Apple was 4th lowest out of how many?
     
  7. Lau
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    It's a tough one. I'd like to think that we could vote with our wallets over something like this, but unfortunately I need a computer, and there's no way I'm not using OSX.

    I'd like to think we could still complain about it, but "Apple's annual shareholder meetings have seen frequent protests from environmental groups" makes me think that they don't really give a toss, which is bad, mmkay.

    I don't really see why if Dell can do it, Apple can't.
     
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    It's a very sad reality indeed.
     
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    Apple's Doing Pretty Well, IMHO

    I think Apple's done a pretty good job, at least from a non-insider perspective. And the fact that they are exteremely open and friendly sharing their environmental information is something to consider as well. It is not always easy for the public to find out about a particular company's information from their website.

    Obviously, though, Apple is a corporation, and, like most others, they will many times sacrifice environmental standards to save costs. All major companies (at least in the U.S.) do it—no matter how 'hip' or 'environment-friendly' they may seem. It's an outcome of consumerism.
     
  10. macrumors 68020

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    Why do these "tree-huggers" have to interfere with business?

    Apple does what they can to have more "enviornmentally-friendly" ways of processing their products. But 4th worst?
     
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    Tymmz

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    That's weird.


    A couple years ago the number one german ECO-magazine "Öko Test" put the iBook at the pole position of (non-) toxic laptops.

    They compared the materials and the exhaust fumes.

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think I remember that fact correctly.
     
  12. macrumors member

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    Tragedy of the Commons

    Organizations are responsible for the impact they have on community resources that impact everyone. Apple is going to have bad news sometimes, so accept it.
     
  13. macrumors newbie

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    I trust Apple more then Greenpeace

    How do we know this Greenpeace report is accurate?

    Sometimes activist organizations will target big name companies just to get more attention.

    Apple is more green than dell. period.

    Makes me question the whole report if greenpeace thinks dell is more green then apple.

    bunch of hewwie
     
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    nagromme

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    They expect them to do better--at least as well as other companies do, and ultimately better than that.

    And we should thank Greenpeace et al for putting this kind of pressure on companies: it helps all of us. These are serious issues, and they are issues that CAN be solved without companies ceasing to do business ;)

    I'm glad for what Apple has done so far, and I'm glad people are pushing them to do more.

    The "never criticize a business, their profit matters more than anything in the world" attitude is a little extreme if you stop to think about it. By that logic, we should accept products without warranties, toys that shatter into sharp pieces, batteries that catch fire, poisons in foods, slave labor, pollution... ANYTHING so long as it is in some corporations interest.

    But corporations aren't the only thing that matters (despite their hold on certain governing bodies ;) ).
     
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    Did I read that correctly?
     
  16. Lau
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    Do you have evidence of this just out of interest? I too was surprised to read this, so I'd be interested if you had evidence the other way.

    Edit:

    Sorry, I may not have been clear. I meant it as in I would much prefer to use OSX over Windows or Linux, and so would find it difficult to choose, say, a Dell because it ran Windows and I would find that unpleasant, even if Dell had a better environmental record.
     
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    zero evidence, other than my gut feeling.

    But come on, Dell more green than Apple? Something is not right here.
     
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    ?tree-huggers? ?interfere with business? !we don't want to start that discussion!


    Do you have proof for your statement, that Apple is doing their best?
     
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    Yeah its a business. But you gotta give back to the community. Whats the point in reaping huge profits off consumers then destroying the earth? It's not that drammatic, but if every company were like Apple, it'd definitely not bode well for the environment :mad:
     
  20. macrumors member

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    Capitalism and Eco-Friendship

    As a business professional, there most certainly is a capitalistic argument for environmentally friendly businesses.

    I will provide the link this time:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


    This is something Apple can improve. So why not go for it?
     
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    Apple has released a statement regarding the findings and it is just as realiable as Greenpeace's.

    Besides, I said that Apple is doing what they can.
     
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    Chupa Chupa

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    This should be a Page 2 story at best. Let's be clear about what this bit of propaganda is... We know Greenpeace is anti-technology, anti-capitalism. They know Apple is not only a huge success story, but also has a big presence in consumer's minds. Everyone knows Apple and iPods. Clearly Greenpeace, like the iPod labor camp story before it, is USING Apple to forward their own agenda of killing technology and thwarting capitalism and innovation.
     
  23. macrumors 6502a

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    I wonder if they mentioned the fact that Dell has made the computer a disposable purchase with their $299 PCs. I'm serious people buy a new Dell every few years because they are garbage. Do you honestly think people give them back for recycling. They sell them on ebay or craigslist, and the new owner after about a year puts them in the dumpster. With Apple people keep their machines much longer, and are much more likely to recycle them because they are smaller and easier to take to a recycling center (no CRT). This alone makes Apple greener then Dell.
     
  24. Lau
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    Hmm. Gut feeling's all very well, but Apple obviously do a great job of marketing themselves as a friendly green company and we may go round believing that without evidence, and it looks as if the figures don't back them up.

    That's a good point, actually, it's much better to make a long-lasting product than a crappy one that's recycled when it breaks. It's a shame that iPods are effectively disposable though. To be able to replace the battery in particular, and possibly the hard drive, would make it a much more longer lasting product.
     
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    Eh, I believe little of what Greenpeace ever says. :rolleyes:
     

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