Guess what is coming on the x86 OSX! (true news) with Aqua

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  1. DJ_TRicks macrumors newbie

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    New News that seems very strange as soon as i posted my last post i got two rather random messages


    both of which were two people who said they worked for Apple
    well one said that i was wrong the other said i was wrong in some parts but what the most important thing is ....

    APPLE IS COMING TO THE PC!!!!

    both; one in the uk, and one at apple in california; have both seen a full working OSX port of the panther 10.3 ported to a DELL intel system computer.
    Now were not just talking the Darwin kernal but the whole thing that includes Aqua interface!!!!!!!!!


    Now this makes perfect sense
    Dell + apple = Dell selling Ipods....
    but why stop there its possible DELL, the first company for custom oder computers to put linux on might start selling PC with OSX installed

    now i was told the whole os was compiled using several clustered Dell servers all running intel chips but since its for x86 OSX will run on atholons as well i was told
     
  2. jefhatfield Retired

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    more and more i am starting to hear that os x can be on a pc and will go that way as an option

    being here over two years, i have seen the most persistent rumors actually come true the majority of the time

    os x for intel has been a major point with a lot of mac users...while other mac user hate the idea

    sj said it best when he mentioned that apple is a software company first and a hardware company second

    just imagine if apple pushed their os more than the hardware in the early days before gates got off the ground!
     
  3. mymemory macrumors 68020

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    OSX in a PC!

    Sounds good to me, PC hardware is cheaper, I may get a PC later on as long it can run Windows based software. There are a lot of softwares out there in windows enviroment that call my attention.
     
  4. beefstu01 macrumors member

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    I'm not surprised. They'll probably offer this in additon too their own hardware, possibly. Remember, Apple has a fully ported Jaguar copy for the x86 in their building. Maybe nothing, but I think it means something. They won't ever completely switch to the x86 structure, but maybe offer it as a windows alternative and blow open the doors for OS X application development (more people will go for a cheaper OS, I know it)
     
  5. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Any news on a PPC emulator engine for this version, or how the endian shift is being handled?
     
  6. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    Has anyone else noticed this same person, who is new to the forums, has posted 3 very difficult to believe threads in one day???
     
  7. insidedanshead macrumors regular

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    The reason apple has an x86 version in house is if Motorola and IBM don't pull through... (now with the IBM 970 in works i dont see them NOT pulling through) they will be able to buy intel or amd processors for their own machines.. apple will never allows its system to run on a machine they won't get money for.. think about it... Apple on dell? are you kidding me? I may be a newbie but come on get real..
     
  8. DJ_TRicks thread starter macrumors newbie

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    oh look its the liar again

    so you think im just blowing smoke, shoveing BS? well ass monkeis porting OSX has already be done to the kernel
    all you need is the X interface which is aqua

    remeber OSX is based on Next hardware and BSD!

    so i post my info as i get it ok so if you dont like it then just deal with it
    and spelling? i posted my chat transcript thats all so if we use shorthand in it you can kiss me and my freinds butts

    ill post what i get when i get it
    at least im ethusiastic enough about my love of the mac to post info i get that might intrest others who would like it !!!!!

    so leave me alone if you dont like it deal just dont be an ass and start mocking me ok?
     
  9. insidedanshead macrumors regular

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    We weren't.. or atleast I wasn't mocking you... thats great if you have friends that work at apple..and they tell you stuff... I have friends that work at Budweiser.. they give me beer. I like beer. but anyway.. think logically.. why would apple allow its OS to run on a machine other than theirs... your friends may have seen OSX running on a dell.. but it was probably an x86 test.. which again is if apple includes x86 processors in their machines..

    one of the biggest .. and probably most overlooked advantage of apple is that apple oversees every part that is placed in its machine.. the OS has to reflect the hardware thats installed in each box.. and if OS X is ported to run on ANY x86 machine.. you have to include the code in the OS to compensate.. by which youve inflated your OS to the size of the good year blimp.. yeah I want that.. an even bigger fatter chunkier os.. sounds appetizing.. im gonan go eat some ribs.

    later kids.

    p.s. anyone remember back in the day when we were saying that stevie boy had AMD on his speed dial? well this all goes back to that.. if IBM has no future with apple.. maybe we will see PowerMacs with AMD processors.. a little less scary than apple on dell.. ugh..
     
  10. DreaminDirector macrumors 6502a

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    ....

    alright....perhaps this is a bit out of control. I'm not going to trash DJ Tricks about his three rumor threads, but there have always been rumors about x68 running OSX and the elusive apple iPhone/PDA/Tablet etc....


    Tell you what, if your right about ALL of this stuff by the time 10.3 comes out, I'll send you ten bucks. Just start sounding a bit more credible if this is all true.
     
  11. iJon macrumors 604

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    I think the whole idea of osx on my pc is so stupid. i have a mac and a pc. if osx came out for pc i wouldnt put it on. you know why, because it isnt windows. windows is the only reason i have a pc. i have a pc because of all the games adn windows software that isnt for mac. if i put os x on my pc i would have a pointless machine.now im sure if i was a basic user and all i did was email and internet but didnt have a mac, i would put os x on there becasue being fed up with windows.

    iJon
     
  12. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    Since Apple makes very little on software, they are unlikely to allow the operating system to run on Dell or any other hardware that they don't control. It would put their reputation for quality and reliability at stake.

    They may yet bring out Mac OS X on x86 compatible hardware, but whatever it is, it will be an Apple-designed motherboard in an Apple-designed case. Then, they can charge nearly as much money while making more profit per unit.
     
  13. ja0912 macrumors member

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    exactly

    Exactly!
    I had a conversation with a couple of intoxicated Apple employees one night in August. I was told there is, was, and will be an x86 version of OS X continually developed with the normal version as a "just-in-case", and is not planned to ever be released. I am also only a newbie, but this is the only reason to have x86 OSX that sounds rational to me.
     
  14. DJ_TRicks thread starter macrumors newbie

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    i talked to my freind some more at apple

    he said from what he knows they want to pull a sun microsystems like move
    and release x86 osx with just very little added features mostly so the grid computing can use the pcs alot easier but they will provide the sdk packs to make drivers for any hardware peice you would want
     
  15. Fukui macrumors 68000

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    Why? Because by 2005 MS will have an entirely new OS written FROM SCRATCH. This means A) No legacy, B) Almost certainly a fully Modern development system (no more crap Visual Basic) and C) MS can see what apple is doing with OS X and copy what ever the he11 they want, making the distinction between the Mac's advantages and the PC's diminish.

    So, apple (hardware) will, in the future have two choices, stick with a great but further marginalized OS, or License from MS. Jobs has been down this road before, marginalization is the kiss of death. He knows what he needs to do.
     
  16. insidedanshead macrumors regular

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    Are you saying license Windows to run on Apple's machines? If you are you completely changed the context.. we were refering to OS X on x86 architecture.. but yes I agree with you.. but marginalization is what keeps us mac users superior.. clearly we're not here to debate between OSes.. to me thats like debating religions.. OS X IS superior.. .. But honestly, how many OS ideas can you borrow from apple before apple is on your case .. microsoft is in a bad spot.. a spot i don't think they've ever really been in. I'm sure Windows 2005 .. or whatever they willl call it.. will be good.. much like Windows XP was leaps and bounds better than 98 and 2000.. but its more than just the OS.. its the features.. iPhoto, iMovie, iCal, Mail, Sherlock? I mean I don't see this stuff in the windows environment... and i use it everyday.. in fact that reminds me.. im sort of taking this stuff for granted.. i think to thank apple im going to go buy a new machine..

    dan
     
  17. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    If (and this is a big if) there is no need to do this with modern OSX apps. Each app can contain multiple binaries (for multiple platforms) whilst sharing the same resources. NeXT apps used to do this all the time.
     
  18. Falleron macrumors 68000

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    I dont believe this rumour about going to x86.
     
  19. backspinner macrumors 6502a

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    Re: i talked to my freind some more at apple

    It's already here, but NOT called OS X. It's called Darwin and is just another Unix system. They have a PowerPC variant as well, it's your OS X kernel.

    This news is old. It's nothing special. It exists for years. It's just a unix layer to use x86 hardware in the Xgrid they are working on. Nice to have but won't change the world.
     
  20. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    In some ways I think OSX on x86 would be a good thing, that is the cost of the hardware and the hardware options available.
    But, IMO the stability of OSX comes greatly from the hardware and software combined.
    Apple have total control over the hardware used and so can make sure that the OS works seamlesly with it.
    If you start installing OSX on all manor of manufacturers hardware you're going to end up running as stable as WinME! :(
     
  21. groov' macrumors regular

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    go apple go!

    I have 3 macs and an intel pc (need it for webdesign control).

    Hooray for the day that I could go all OSX. Bye bye MS.

    Go Apple go...

    I mean of course, one partition with windows, to keep the control issue running...
     
  22. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    Re: go apple go!

    How would x86 OSX enable you to remove Windows? Would you not still need it for the same reason as you need it now? You would still need to check that your websites look OK on Windows.
     
  23. D*I*S_Frontman macrumors 6502

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    This is ridiculous.

    If Apple cooked up a OSX version for x86, they did so as an experiment and as an insurance policy in case their PPC partners (Moto, IBM) totally drop the ball on them.

    Now that we know IBM will be making the next generation of killer CPUs for higher end Apple machines and that Apple will continue to use Moto G4s for the lower lines, there will be NO CHANCE that the x86 OSX will EVER see the light of day.

    Apple THRIVES on closed architecture. It guarantees perfect software/hardware integration and MANDATES buying an Apple system to run their superior OS. Apple probably makes 100-fold more net profit from machines than they do on software. If they wanted to just be an OS authoring company, they could be very successful at it--after they lay off 95% of their workforce and shrink their company down to nearly nothing.

    I know a lot of PC fans out there who like Athlons wish Apple would give OS X to them. You're all frustrated at the sub-par G4 specs in comparison to the top of the line PCs. If you NEED ultimate speed for non-AltiVec processes above all else, buy AMD. But if you are running Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, or any other AltiVec-optimized programs, or actually intend to use your system in the real world and want it to work intuitively and unobtrusively, buy a Mac and be happy with it. I'm estatic with mine--I get work done, I never get viruses and it never crashes.

    Hell will most definitely freeze over before Apple gives you an OS that does not run EXCLUSIVELY on their machines. Period. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Even if Moto and IBM disappeared in a puff of smoke tomorrow and Apple HAD to use x86 architecture, you'd better believe they would still gerry-rig their systems to prevent anyone from running OS X on anything other than their machines.

    PC fantasy indulgence now officially over.
     

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