Gulf War 2 has begun

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by peter2002, Feb 12, 2003.

  1. macrumors 6502

    Aug 1, 2002
    Dallas, TX
  2. macrumors 65816

    Dec 14, 2001
    Wow, didn't know that. Well, at least this way fewer civilian casualties should occur. Saddam can't lie about a hospital being bombed instead of a supply warehouse. Where do you get March 2nd from? And what's the moon have to do with it?

    sidenote- I'm more concerned with The Korean War 2
  3. macrumors 68000


    Jan 7, 2002
    2nd star on the right and straight till morning
    i read that special forces were in iraq last week..the washington post is a little slow on the draw.

    and depending on the definition of "special forces"...we've probably had people in iraq for quite some time....

    nevertheless, the slow churning gears of the hamburger grinder have begun to turn......
  4. macrumors 65816


    Dec 10, 2002
    BRUSSELS, Belgium (CNN) -- U.S. lawmakers Wednesday blasted three NATO members who refused to go along with a U.S.-backed proposal to protect Turkey, NATO's only Islamic partner, from Iraq. "Had it not been for our military commitment, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet Socialist Republics,"

    Anyone else find this ironic and at the same time suggest US history isn't well taught? If it wasn't for France, it is doubtful the United States would not have won it's independence from Britain? Yet now, the British are one of the strongest supporters of the US?

    And maybe this is off topic but WHAT IS UP WITH N. KOREA!?!
  5. macrumors member

    Jan 4, 2003
    It's not so much Britain 'supporting' the US in whatever we do, even though that's how it may appear. It's more this specific campaign with Iraq (whatever it's actual multiple agendas really are).

    The English in particular have been attached to the so-called 'middle east' fro a long time, especially after they carved it up into little 'nations' like Kuwait, that runs more like a corporation. Any time the US announces it wants to bludgeon Iraq, the British really get salivating. This is nothing new. Iraq has frequently claimed Kuwait as part of Iraq for decades since the english redrew the maps in the 19th century. The English went in and kicked Iraq out of the newly independent (from England) Kuwait back in 1961.

    The English even gave us those geo reference terms - near, far and middle east from their colonial days and we all still insist on using them like it is a necessary convention like England's greenwich mean time. East of where? That's right, England.

    Think also British Petroleum and you're getting there...
  6. macrumors member

    Jan 2, 2003
    The British may have given us the term Middle East, but the US military calls the area Southwest Asia.

    For the person who made the comment in the CNN article about Germany and France being Soviet Republics, never mind Soviet republics. If it hadn't been for our military commitment, France and the rest of Western Europe, and maybe the Soviet Union, would be Germany colonies or something. Living space, I think, was the concept.

    For whatever reason, we were more than able to put aside our differences with the British from 200 years ago. We paid whatever debt we owed to France long ago when we bailed them out during WWI. What the US is trying to do is to pressure the French and Germans through the back door.

    North Korea is a failed state that more resembles a religious cult. They are on the verge of collapse and are seeking to blackmail the US and the world into supporting them with money and food. At the same time, the only industry they have is military hardware, mostly missiles.
  7. macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    CNN reported that N. Korea has an untested nuclear ballistic missile capable of reaching the west coast of the U.S.
  8. macrumors 68020

    Sep 6, 2002
    When there is a new moon, it's dark. We love to fight in the dark because it gives us a tremendous advantage.

  9. macrumors 68020


    Jul 18, 2002
    BP, at least for the gasoline they sell in the United States, doesn't get its petroleum from the Middle East. IIRC, they get the vast majority of their oil from the North Sea.

    In fact, only 10% of the petroleum sold in the US comes from the Middle East: most of it comes from Canada, Mexico, and South America.

    This war is less about oil and more a smokescreen for Shrubco's failed campaign against Al Qaida and OBL.

    I fully agree with everyone else: we should be far more worried about North Korea.
  10. macrumors 68020

    Sep 6, 2002
    Let's take one step at a time. After we solve the Iraq problem, I think North Korea will be next. The administration is well aware of the North Korean threat. Remember the exis of evil speech?
  11. macrumors regular

    Feb 1, 2002
    North Carolina

    March 2nd is my birthday. Great. I'll be toasting to my 21 years of age on the dawn of the next great World War.

  12. macrumors member

    Dec 3, 2002
    Solve the Iraq problem? Just what sort of problem is a devastated, impoverished country that we've been bombing for twelve years?

    If you think they will somehow attack us, I pity you. That would mean instant ruin; think Saddam doesn't care about job security?

    Inspectors are on the ground looking for the weapons we sold them in the 80s.

    Meanwhile Osama bin Laden who we trained and funded is still free. Afghanistan, which we "liberated" from the Taliban (who we funded, armed and got their training from the CIA) is now once again ruled by local warlords and Americans troops are being killed there. Is that problem solved?

    So going after Iraq will solve problems?
  13. macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    The only country in South America is Venezuela that used to fill the 15% of the US oil inventories, not any more since december. All our oil is going directly to Cuba, the little we produce now after the oil strike.
  14. macrumors 65816

    Dec 14, 2001
    Ah. And the military plan covert ops around the new moon?
  15. macrumors 68020

    Sep 6, 2002
    Yes, they do.
  16. macrumors 604


    Jul 4, 2001
    1 Block away from NYC.
    Re: D'oh!

    Mine is March 7th.

    I'll be celebrating. I'm inviting all my friends for a HAPPY WAR PARTY!
  17. macrumors 68000

    Dec 24, 2001
    Carson City, NV
    well read!

    You all amaze me with your comments! You appear to be getting your news outside of the great BS merchants (CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC, et al). Proof positive, I think, that the internet is a powerful force.

    If only America (as a whole) were as literate...
  18. macrumors 6502a


    Dec 4, 2002
    Special Forces have been operating in Iraq since the Gulf War, it's nothing new.

    Hell, Special Forces are currently operating in more countries than most people think.
  19. macrumors member

    Oct 23, 2002
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Fewer civilian casualties...when they're attacked at night and without warning? Please tell me you're joking.
  20. macrumors member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Two things. First, they aren't attacking civilians. Second, yes, special forces directing airstrikes and fighting at night when most people are at home in their beds = fewer civilian casualties than carpet bombing downtown Bagdhad in the middle of the afternoon.

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