Haggard confesses to 'lifelong' sexual problem

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  1. clevin macrumors G3

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html
    in comparison, male escort is more honest than this crap
     
  2. CanadaRAM macrumors G5

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    I don't care what he does with his w*lly, its what he does with his mouth that is dishonest and repulsive.
     
  3. scem0 macrumors 604

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    So much hypocrisy. It makes me so angry that he could speak out so vehemently against his own community. How dare he?

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  4. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    Its all about $$$ and power over others. The selling of religion is a business, just as the using of these same folks is a political business.
     
  5. MACDRIVE macrumors 68000

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    This is so true. And the thought of these people having a political influence, gets my blood boiling. :mad:
     
  6. ksz macrumors 68000

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    This month's issue of Wired Magazine has a cover story entitled The New Atheism. One of the most interesting statements from the article is something like this (paraphrased from memory):

    "Sometime soon people will be embarrassed to say that they believe in god."

    While I don't like the strong rhetoric used by some atheists or Brights, I agree with almost everything they say, including the very real observation that there is no compromise between reason and religious faith, or between naturalism and supernaturalism. It's a very poignant article.

    To me, organized religion is no different from organized crime.
     
  7. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    Such self-loathing must be painful. This is one area where his brand of religious extremism does more harm than good. I mean, even if he still believes that what he's doing is wrong, wouldn't it be better to live in an open, supportive community that could help him through his perceived problems rather than being angry and secretive and diddling prostitutes on the side? His religious rhetoric and beliefs have stopped him from getting "better". Unless he's just a plain old hypocrite, which is possible.
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yes, Mr. Haggard- being gay is lifelong, but it is NOT a problem unless you wish to make it one.
     
  9. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    I feel sorry for him - in spite of his 'public views' on homosexuality. I just can't imagine living my life believing that it is "dark" and "repulsive."
     
  10. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Is it only me that was more concerned/entertained about the grovelling crystal-meth phone calls?

    I couldn't care less about his sexual predilections. Yet again, a self-appointed religious figurehead is revealed as a hypocritical charlatan; what a surprise.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
     
  11. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    i don't speak french, but if you're saying that haggard's sexual choice, plus his inability to make change caused this latest meme, then i agree.
     
  12. ksz macrumors 68000

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    At least Ted Haggard called himself, "a deceiver and a liar." His whole life has been a lie...even to himself.
     
  13. ksz macrumors 68000

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    It means, "the more things change the more they stay the same." Most likely referring to self-appointed or self-righteous religious conservatives as all being the same: hypocrites and deceits.
     
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    I'd feel sorry for him if all he did was think it was dark and repulsive. But he actively lobbied against homosexuals. That's what really makes me angry, he lobbied against his own people. It's one thing to be ashamed of yourself, it's another thing completely to lash out at your own kind.

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  16. FleurDuMal macrumors 68000

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    My friend suggested that some coalition of gay rights groups should have a 'welcome to the party' celebration outside his house (or wherever he's hiding) - just to rub his hypocritical nose in it as much as possible.
     
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    Every time I see someone who's that much against homosexuality, I guess they might be protesting a bit too much. Hypocrites like him are just further proof. And another one bites the dust.

    Hopefully they don't start calling this one a pedophile and linking the 2 as well.
     
  19. Queso macrumors G4

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    They'd have a job. That's one serious butch boyfriend he had there, not some mid to late teen chicken. I guess we can work out who **ahem** played which role. ;)
     
  20. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    How would you feel if you had strong sexual urges toward children? Most people would be utterly disgusted with themselves and many would probably be outspoken against paedophilia. The fight without is a sign of the struggle within and all that.

    Paedophiles are like homosexuals, or heterosexuals for that matter in that they can't help their orientation. None of us can, really. It just so happens that the former is morally objectionable, while the latter two are of no great consequence.

    Now Haggard is a deeply religious man and probably feels the same way about homosexuality as the rest of us do about paedophilia. I'd imagine he's pretty screwed up because of it.

    Put yourself in those shoes and tremble.

    Give the guy a break. He's said terrible things, but now we know why he felt he had to say them. He must be so screwed up inside.

    Gay people often say that being outed is one of the worst things that can happen to them. Can you imagine how bad it is to be outed like this?

    The best thing for him would be for people to allow him to live as a gay man without hassle. The guy is a reasonably effective speaker and could, if given the chance, become an effective advocate for homosexual rights.
     
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    That's a very interesting argument, I'm tempted to agree with you, it seems to be true that conventional religious wisdom is that homosexuality is bad, even though it isn't. He's going to have a rough time from his own community about this, and that's a total understatment.
     
  22. Queso macrumors G4

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    If he'd been honest about his own personal struggle whilst condemning, it wouldn't have been a problem. Instead, he rallied against The Gays at every chance he got whilst, and here's the important bit, regularly indulging his own desires. There wasn't a struggle in his mind, only a public cover-up of his actions. That's nothing but utter hypocrisy, and I'm glad he was outed in this way.

    Also if his alleged Christianity leads him to equate paedophiles and gays as Agathon theorises, then it would just show how messed up religion is and how people can pervert it to suit their own ends.

    I offer him no sympathy. Nor should anyone else. He's made a lot of money out of being a lying fraud.
     
  23. FleurDuMal macrumors 68000

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    Amen.

    Anyway, 'his community' should surely forgive him for what he did. After all, his community is Christian, and I was always taught that Christianity was built on forgiveness. But then again, I was always taught that Christianity was about loving your fellow human being - and in my book, equating someone with a pedophile is not love.

    Luckily I'm no longer Christian, so I don't have to forgive him.
     
  24. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    Please be clear that I certainly don't equate the two. Many people like Haggard do, and many of them do not do so out of spite, but out of a sincere conviction.

    Presumably, all of us have a sincere conviction about the moral wrong of paedophilia. Well, if you want to get inside the head of people like Haggard, just imagine you felt the same way about homosexuality – that's the point of the comparison.
     
  25. Queso macrumors G4

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    Don't worry. I got exactly what you meant. :)
     

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