Half-million people show up for immigration law protest

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Mar 26, 2006.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2004
    Location:
    Reality
    #1
    Things just keep getting better and better for Bush and the GOP:

    I love that last paragraph. Keep it up, GOP. Are we ready for the November elections yet? :D

    Link
     
  2. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #2
    He needs to listen to those Republicans. I'm all for HR 4437 and no guest worker program.
     
  3. maxterpiece macrumors 6502a

    maxterpiece

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    #3
    now someone just needs to slip this sentence in in real small print at the end of the bill, "And we grant all illegal immigrants the right to vote in presidential elections."
     
  4. leekohler macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #4
    Wow- this is tough. I have known many illegal immigrants myself. But I still think it's in our best interests to enforce our immigration laws. I DEFINITELY think the church thing goes way to far though. I mean, come on- you should be able to go to a church regardless and feel safe. Churches should not be involved with, or subject to the government.
     
  5. Peterkro macrumors 68020

    Peterkro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2004
    Location:
    Communard de Londres
    #5
    Enforce your immigration laws and the Californian economy for one would collapse.
     
  6. TheMonarch macrumors 65816

    TheMonarch

    Joined:
    May 6, 2005
    Location:
    Bay Area
    #6
    If passed and enforced correctly, this could really screw California up :( :mad:
     
  7. solvs macrumors 603

    solvs

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    LaLaLand, CA
    #7
    Not to mention that it would cost more than it saves

    I'm torn on the issue itself, but would have gone to the protest myself had I learned of it before it was over. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about dealing with this, and this is the wrong way. I can't help thinking of all of those who rail against illegal immigration, but have no problem when their gardeners and maids are immigrants, who they have no problem taking advantage of. Of course, some of those that rant against these types of laws are guilty of the same things, so we should just invade Mexico and declare it the 51st state and get it over with. Boom, we cut the immigration "problem" to almost nothing.

    Anybody find it funny that Canada is starting to do this type of thing to us?
     
  8. TheMonarch macrumors 65816

    TheMonarch

    Joined:
    May 6, 2005
    Location:
    Bay Area
    #8
    I'm going to voice myself against this. Its really going to mess up CA. Badly.
     
  9. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #9
    So we should go soft on people who break the law just because it might affect businesses?
     
  10. Peterkro macrumors 68020

    Peterkro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2004
    Location:
    Communard de Londres
    #10
    "if enough people disobey the law the law is an ass" Lord Denning Master of the Rolls (premier judge of the UK).

    Your not surely saying most people in the US obey all the laws.

    PS thats a donkey not an arse for you septics.
     
  11. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #11
    Huh? Of course most people obey the laws. If they don't, they deserve to be caught and punished.
     
  12. Peterkro macrumors 68020

    Peterkro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2004
    Location:
    Communard de Londres
    #12
    Your jails are bursting at the seams already(9% of the population) and are you seriously telling me that you don't speed etc.Also the US economy would collapse overnight if tax evasion by large business was clamped down on.
     
  13. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #13
    If I'm caught speeding, I deserve a ticket just as someone who breaks the law by being an illegal here in the United States deserves a punishment.

    The amount of people in the jails and tax evasion by large business has nothing to do with this.
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

    solvs

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    LaLaLand, CA
    #14
    No, but we don't hit flies with sledge hammers either. Have you read the particulars of the proposed law they are protesting? It doesn't really do anything to fix the problem itself, would be incredibly difficult to enforce without a lot more funding, not to mention costing more money than it's supposed to save, and the church thing is way out of line. There are already laws to crack down on illegal immigration. There are ways to deal with the failings of that system. This is not it.
     
  15. Peterkro macrumors 68020

    Peterkro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2004
    Location:
    Communard de Londres
    #15
    Tax evasion is against US law(thats evasion not avoidance).At the risk of some dickhead trying to evoke Godwins law,the people of Europe would have been a lot better off if the German middle classes told Hitler to piss off.
     
  16. solvs macrumors 603

    solvs

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    LaLaLand, CA
    #16
    But you also aren't charged with a felony and thrown in an overcrowded jail for a couple of years for speeding. And the amount of people in jails and effect on businesses should be taken into consideration. They are realities that will have to be dealt with. You don't just start making laws to supplement existing laws that aren't working without considering the repercussions. It's fine to enforce laws, or create new laws, but like I said, we don't hit flies with sledgehammers. Especially if it's going to make a big hole in the wall.
     
  17. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #17
    The current laws aren't working and a solution or a way to a solution has been proposed. From civil to criminal, punishing those who help the illegals, a bit more pressure on the cops, difficult doesn't mean impossible and is sure to be better than it is. I think it will work. That's my opinion on it. My other opinion is it probably won't pass with Bush wanting veto it if his little clause doesn't get included about migrant workers and Clinton willing to filibuster.

    Illegals are a burden and one I'd be happy to pay a bit of money more in the way of taxes to get rid of.
     
  18. solvs macrumors 603

    solvs

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    LaLaLand, CA
    #18
    No they aren't, but I don't think this is going to fix anything. Seems more like a lot of posturing from people looking for a cause. Not that Bush's idea is that great, but it's a moot issue anyway. It won't pass and nothing will get fixed, and border security will continue to be underfunded while even legal immigrants are taken advantage of. I just don't see how locking people in jails as felons is going to do any good, and I think you're simplifying the ramifications, which would be worse than you think.
     
  19. Ugg macrumors 68000

    Ugg

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Location:
    Penryn
    #19
    There have been a lot of studies done and there seems to be no clear indication that illegals cost exorbitant amounts of money. What's interesting in this argument is that as far as you and most others are concerned, illegals come from Africa, Latin and South America and Asia. There's a huge illegal European population here as well, their departure could devastate certain parts of the economy.

    Where I live in California's central valley, many farmers are getting rid of their field crops and planting orchards instead simply because there aren't enough workers to harvest crops. Many illegals are turning to higher paid jobs in construction, maintenance, etc. It will devastate the economies of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida, etc if 12 million illegal resdients are returned home. The loss of tax income alone will be devastating and the massive rise in food prices will mean many people will go without fresh food.

    What's needed is a guestworker program pure and simple. Without one, watch the economy plummet.
     
  20. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

    pseudobrit

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Location:
    Jobs' Spare Liver Jar
    #20
    Or maybe the speed limit should be raised.
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #21
    Where I live, the orchards are being replaced by field crops -- mainly because citrus is being grown much more inexpensively in South America, and can now be imported.

    Anyhow, I always take amusement in conservatives arguing that tougher immigrations laws more strictly enforced can somehow be made to suspend the powerful forces of economic gravity at work. The folks on the Right are always going to have tremendous difficulty with this issue. Their positions are internally in conflict, and probably irreconcilable.
     
  22. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

    pseudobrit

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Location:
    Jobs' Spare Liver Jar
    #22
    Immigrants are not a burden. It's quite the opposite; they're helping our economy stay afloat and we need more of them if we want to hold onto what's left of the manufacturing base in this country.

    I say open the process up wider. Since Bush clamped down after the terrorist attacks it's become harder to get into this country legally. The process is prohibitively long, tedious and complex.

    We need to take the immigration process and blow it open. Maybe not fully open as we saw in the Ellis Island days, but we need to make it much quicker and easier for an immigrant to come here and stay here legally. Such a process would also help spread needed labour to northern states and perhaps stop the flow of industry offshore.

    A Mexican immigrant will do a low paying job in America. A Chinese worker will do it for less – in China.
     
  23. zimv20 macrumors 601

    zimv20

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2002
    Location:
    toronto
    #23
    prove it. no anecdotals or conjecture.
     
  24. Airforce macrumors 6502a

    Airforce

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    #24
    Not a burden at all? Have you ever been to a border town? Do you know what it's like to get hit by one of these bastards not holding insurance?

    Not to mention education costs for their children, health care costs, ect. Not a burden at all. Give me a break :rolleyes:
     
  25. zimv20 macrumors 601

    zimv20

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2002
    Location:
    toronto
    #25
    anecdotal!

    conjecture!

    0/2
     

Share This Page