Haptic Feedback, Fingerprint Identification, and RFID Tag Readers in Future iPhones?

Discussion in 'MacRumors.com News Discussion' started by MacRumors, Jul 2, 2009.

  1. macrumors bot

    MacRumors

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2001
    #1
    [​IMG]

    Apple has let loose a number of revealing new patent applications that cover some interesting technologies that could be used in future iPhones.

    Haptic Tactile Feedback

    Perhaps most interesting amongst the patent applications is the acknowledgement by Apple that despite the many advantages of the iPhone's multi-touch screen, a lack of tactile feedback remains its biggest disadvantage:
    [​IMG]

    The proposed solution is the adoption of "haptic" display technologies which allow for some tactile feedback from touch screen displays. Apple proposes including a grid of piezoelectronic actuators that can be activated on command. By fluctuating the frequency of these actuators, the user will "feel" different surfaces as their finger moves across it. As an example, a display could include a virtual click wheel which vibrates at a different frequency as the center. Users could easily sense the difference and use the click wheel without having to look at it.

    Haptic technology has started gaining adoption in other mobile phones and there had been some talk that Apple might have been looking to adopt it.

    Fingerprint Identification as an Input Method

    A second very intriguing patent application suggests the detection of a user's individual fingerprints as an input method. Fingerprints have already been used in computers for security purposes, but Apple's research involves the use of fingerprint patterns to actually identify distinct fingers. This could then be used to produce specific functions depending on which finger is being used. As shown in the table below, an index finger press might perform one action (PLAY/STOP) while a middle finger press could fast forward.


    [​IMG]

    The reason for such a distinction again falls back on non-visual usage. Instead of requiring the user to find a button on the touchscreen, the use of different fingers alone could trigger different commands.

    RFID Reader

    Finally, the last notable application covers the dual use of a touch screen as an RFID reader. RFID tags are small circuits that can be embedded in objects for identification using a special reader. Apple suggests that the an RFID antenna can be placed in the touch sensor panel itself, allowing it to also be used as a RFID reader. As RFID tags become more prevalent, this could add a very useful function to future touch screen devices.

    Article Link: Haptic Feedback, Fingerprint Identification, and RFID Tag Readers in Future iPhones?
     
  2. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    May 1, 2007
  3. macrumors 65816

    talkingfuture

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Location:
    The back of beyond.
    #3
    Looking forward to the addition of feedback, will we see it on the next iPod Touch, the next iPhone or maybe even the tablet?

    Or perhaps none of the above.
     
  4. macrumors 6502a

    tjcampbell

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Location:
    Vancouver
    #4
    Interesting. I'd like to see where this goes.
     
  5. macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2008
    Location:
    Canada
    #5
    I can see the conspiracy theorists jumping all over this one. Apple working with the government to implement RFID chips into everyone, and then have Steve Jobs control the world.
     
  6. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2006
    Location:
    UK
    #6
    Don't laugh!!! It is true story.:mad:
     
  7. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2004
    Location:
    tristate area
    #7
    A) Funny I've been wondering about finding away to give touch screens a feel for a while. Futurism is such a unified thing where people all seem to want the same thing.
    B) finger prints seem like a way to recognize which finger is touching where.
    C) Don't RFID's work with surface already?
     
  8. 4np
    macrumors 6502a

    4np

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    #8
    Wow, the fingerprint recognition potential seems amazing :) I'm not sure if it can also be used for authentication as the mythbusters could relatively easily circumvent systems based on fingerprint recognition :)
     
  9. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2006
    Location:
    UK
    #9
    All those concepts are great under one condition which is iPhone need to be as fast as hell. Probably we are talking about quad processor from Mac Pro to make it happened. :D
    Seriously, iPhone will need much more horse power to adopt and run smoothly those applications to the point when people won't complain that their iPhone's are lagging etc. Because of this I don't think we will see that anytime soon. If that will happened I guess that would be about year 2012, but then end of world so what is the point?:p
     
  10. macrumors regular

    Joined:
    May 26, 2008
    Location:
    Singapore
  11. macrumors newbie

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2008
    #11
    Hmmm.... Oyster card in iPhone? That would be one less thing to think about when leaving the house.
     
  12. macrumors 6502

    chickenninja

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2008
    Location:
    inside my skull
    #12
    it would be cool to have the sensation of different textures, but using electrical charges i dont know. i can feel the faint humming of a touch lamp and i find it unpleasant and this uses the same principle even if it is using piezoelectric pixels. but ya know not everyone can feel that stuff, what if you have fat fingers from eating corndogs without chewing. should i have to choose between tactile sensation and the textured chug of a corndog? NO
     
  13. macrumors 65816

    designgeek

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Location:
    "Town"
    #13
    I made fun of someone a while ago on these forums for speculating about future iPhones and OSs by saying "The next one will be able to read your mind." Now that I have read this, that might actually be the case. I humbly apologize.;)
     
  14. macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Location:
    London
    #14
    As an iPhone Generation1 user I've bravely resisted the temptation of the iPhone 3G and as I am now moving country I am looking forward to picking up my iPhone 3GS next week. This article however makes me want the next one already... amazing ideas to identify which finger is where and whether it is rotating etc. Go :apple: ! :)
     
  15. macrumors 65816

    iphones4evry1

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Location:
    California, USA
    #15
    If there's some type of safeguard to ensure that my fingerprint is stored on my phone only (separate chip and never part of the main OS software), I'm all for it.

    Haptic feedback? I don't see a need for it.
     
  16. macrumors member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2002
    Location:
    Aberdeen, Scotland
    #16
    with gloves

    What I would like to see is the ability to use the iPhone whilst wearing gloves.

    It gets cold here in the winter / summer / spring / autumn and having to take off a glove to use the iPhone - or even answer a call - is a pain.

    It is not just the weather either as when cycling and the phone rings the call is missed by the time you have got a cycle glove off and the phone out.

    Or maybe this is just the price of progress.
     
  17. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    #17
    Haptic feedback? Yes please!

    Just use your nose! :D
     
  18. macrumors Core

    Dagless

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Location:
    Darkplace Hospital
  19. macrumors 6502

    chickenninja

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2008
    Location:
    inside my skull
    #19
    I think this technology is a logicle step from touchscreen but they should be phocusing on more important things like making it waterproof, how much of the planet is covered with water? besides what if i scratch my screen and then cant login to my own device or someone steals it and then they use it to open the vault in my volcano that also uses a fingerprint. its not good to leave your personal information lying around yet alone something as personal as a fingerprint on a phone that can slip out of a pocket.
     
  20. macrumors 6502a

    DipDog3

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    #20
    This could be interesting.

    I can see this being part of the iPhone 5G.

    Doubt we will see it anytime sooner than that cause the 4G will have OLED.
     
  21. macrumors 603

    MorphingDragon

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2009
    Location:
    The World Inbetween
    #21
    Thats not the crumbs of a corn dog. Thats a stroke!!!
     
  22. macrumors 6502a

    DELLsFan

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    #22
    Oh sure, this is amazing alright ... innovative ways to lessen the dependence on visual and physical interaction with the iPhone. Yet, 3 generations + 1 (pending) update of the product before incorporating truly hands-free operation of it? Cupertino is in CA, right? Hands-Free laws there, right? Design and code done there, right? Right ...

    Oh, I'm sorry. It DID take them this long to incorporate copy/paste. I should set the bar a little lower. :rolleyes:
     
  23. macrumors member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2009
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    #23
    Take a look at the fingers suggested for the fingerprint readings. You'll realize that this isn't intended for use in the iPhone -- only practical on larger touch screen devices. *hint hint*
     
  24. macrumors 68040

    motulist

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2003
    #24
    I've never touched a haptic screen before, but by its description they always sound like an unpleasant sensation to me. And it sounds like they could only deliver very coarse resolution tactile information to your fingers. Regarding these issues, can anyone here comment on their actual experience of trying out a haptic screen?
     
  25. macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2008
    #25
    I could see this technology in consumer's hands in 3 to 10 years.
     

Share This Page