hard drive space

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  1. reginaoak macrumors newbie

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    Hello,
    I have a G4 computer that has the capacity of 57.26GB. It is also saying that I am using 48.81GB and have 8.44 GB available. Obviously, I need more space.

    The thing I don't understand is that when I add up all the folders in my hard drive it is only 24.36GB. (not even close to 48.81GB)

    Is there any way I can get more space on my hard drive without purchasing a new one?

    Thank you~
     
  2. mad jew Moderator emeritus

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    #2
    A good first step might be to work out the discrepancy between how much space you know you're using and how much space OSX thinks you're using. Try using an app like OmniDiskSweeper to do this. :)
     
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  4. iPhil macrumors 68040

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    The MadOne™ does give str8 problem solving ideas.... :D

    Unless he's drinkin' and in a sleep deprivation state




    :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  5. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    ok... I just tried the omnisweeper trial. I might not be doing this correctly but it seems that it is only reading 26GB on my hard drive (which I think is what I have) and asking what I want to delete but when I go into my "info" it is saying 49.61GB is being used. I don't want to delete anything I just want my lost 23GB back....
    :confused: :(
     
  6. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    Sometimes just emptying the trash can return a lot of space. Many people just let deleted files pile up.
     
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  8. baby duck monge macrumors 68000

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    How long has it been since you restarted your computer? It may sound odd, but it could be that you have used that much of your HD over time in virtual memory, and a restart should fix that.
     
  9. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    There are many hidden folders that can hold a lot of data, so adding up what you "see" in the Finder always falls short of what is actually on the disk.

    Open ODS, choose your boot drive, click the sweep button at the bottom, and wait.. until it's done. It will list the largst directory of disk space at the top. Most likely it's /private..

    How about some screenshots to help us interpret what you're seeing?
     
  10. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    That is an excellent point.



    But if that doesn't work, can you give us a screen shot of Disk Utility with your hard drive selected, or at least tell us what it says. Maybe something is getting mounted wrong. (Note: I doubt this is the problem, but we are running out of ideas. It's time to start check everything no matter how unlikely).
     

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  11. plinden macrumors 68040

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    Try WhatSize too. I've just tried out both and they didn't quite give me identical results. For example, /usr is 1.1GB using OmniDiskSweeper and 1.88GB using WhatSize. Not a big difference on my machine, but mine isn't yours.

    An alternative is to open Terminal and type "cd /", then "du -h > ~/result.txt". You can then view result.txt in a text editor and see where the most disk space is being used. That's a little less user-friendly.

    Edit: I changed "du -H" to "du -h"
     
  12. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank you for eveyone's help...
    I have attached screen shots of both the omnidisksweeper and my disk utility...
     

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  13. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    ODS is not giving you the correct info.. are you an admin on the box? Please post the results of (from Terminal.app):

    du -h -d1 /

    (it will take a while)

    Oh.. and for the record, you seem to be using a Norton product. Is it Norton AV or something else?
     
  14. plinden macrumors 68040

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    It might be a good idea to pipe the results of "du -h -d1 /" to a file, like I suggested before - you are going to get a very long list.

    And please, try WhatSize. It's pretty much the same as OmniDiskSweeper but may give different results.
     
  15. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    ok.... I hope I'm doing this right. Here is a screen shot of "what size" and below is the information I got from "terminal"

    [Design-2s-Computer:~] design2% du -h -d1 /
    251M / 2003 Organized Fonts
    du: /.Trashes: Permission denied
    0B /.vol
    3.9G /Applications
    113M /Applications (Mac OS 9)
    1.5K /automount
    3.4M /bin
    0B /Cleanup At Startup
    0B /cores
    32K /Desktop Folder
    8.7G /dev
    1.1M /Documents
    1.1M /hp LaserJet Folder
    du: /Library/Logs/Console/admin: Permission denied
    7.7G /Library
    1.5K /Network
    du: /private/etc/cups/certs: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/backups: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/cron: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/db/dhcpclient: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/db/netinfo/local.nidb: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/db/openldap/openldap-data: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/db/openldap/openldap-slurp: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/root: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/clientmqueue: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/cups: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/mqueue: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/active: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/bounce: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/corrupt: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/defer: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/deferred: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/flush: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/hold: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/incoming: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/maildrop: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/private: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/spool/postfix/public: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/tmp/tmp.0.6I03mH: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/tmp/tmp.1.rPWTaK: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/tmp/tmp.4.yhAHNu: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/tmp/tmp.5.xhyMyr: Permission denied
    du: /private/var/vm/app_profile: Permission denied
    1.3G /private
    2.1M /sbin
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/da.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Dutch.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/fi.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/German.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Japanese.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/ko.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/no.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Non_localized/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/pt.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/Spanish.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
     

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  16. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    terminal continued

    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/sv.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_CN.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Library: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Music: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /System/Library/User Template/zh_TW.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    1.0G /System
    2.9G /System Folder
    184M /TheFindByContentFolder
    8.0K /TheVolumeSettingsFolder
    du: /Users/admin/.Trash: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Desktop: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Documents: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Library: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Movies: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Music: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Pictures: Permission denied
    du: /Users/admin/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
    8.7G /Users
    300M /usr
    du: /Volumes/WhatSize_10.3.91/.Trashes: Permission denied
    182G /Volumes
    217G /
    [Design-2s-Computer:~] design2%

    It didn't all fit...
    :)
     
  17. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    #18
    My bad.. I omitted the use of sudo in the command line use above, so all the "permission denied" are for this reason. Anyway, WhatSize seemed to work for you.

    As you can see.. there's something in your /Library that is eating a lot of space.. unfortunately for you, it's probably related to iMovie, iDVD, and GarageBand.

    Beyond that, if you don't use Classic at all, then you can get rid of "/System Folder" and save yourself almost 3GB (As well as "/Applications (Mac OS 9)" for an additional 112MB).

    Ultimately, I think you've just found out that you need a bigger hard drive. It seems you have Norton System Works or some other such Norton Util installed. I STRONGLY suggest you uninstall that ASAP. Norton's time with the Mac has passed into legend. It's current offerings for OS X are pathetic.
     
  18. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    why is it that in "what size" on the top portion it says 26.6 GB but on the bottom I'm using 49.7GB? I know it wouldn't be the exact same number but shouldn't it be close?
     
  19. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Off hand I'd say that it's registering what can be see in the Finder. You'd have to look at the whatsize documentation for what that means.
     
  20. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    When I add up all the items in "What size" it still only adds up to 26.6GB...
    :(
    Where is my other 23GB?
     
  21. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    #22
    Looks like you're going to have to try again:

    sudo du -h -d1 /

    And post the results. This requires that you be an admin user on the Mac.
     
  22. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor

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    Correct me if I'm wrong...

    It looks like there's another user on your computer called "admin." Because your account doesn't have admin privileges (I assume), you can't see very much inside of admin's user folder using any of the methods outlined above. If you log into the admin account, I think you'll find your space. If it's not immediately obvious, run WhatSize or ODS from that account and show us what you see.
     
  23. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Yes.. you never answered that question that I saw. If you're not an admin, then ODS and WhatSize will not display the fully correct data.
     
  24. reginaoak thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I went into the admin account and did the "terminal" and the "ODS" Please see attached.

    When I was in the admin account the hard drive had the same information regarding how much space I had available.
     

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