has anyone heard of paysafe?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Keebler, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. Keebler macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005

    i'm looking to buy a g5 and 23" cinema display.
    the gentleman is from canada, but working on the uk for 5 months.
    he said he left the system with paysafe. i emailed earlier today and asked how paysafe works (he offered to explain).

    has anyone heard of them? i google'd and there is a paysafe, but it seems to be a credit card service for merchants. i thought it would be a service for out of country workers to sell material (b/c i think that type of service might work).

    i'm certainly not saying this individual is being deviant in any manner...just trying to check everything out.

    are there any sites to check on companies?

  2. Winstonp macrumors 6502a


    Jan 2, 2005
    this is a classic scam story. "left for UK, blahblah". Move on.
  3. szsiddiq macrumors 6502


    Dec 21, 2005
  4. nitynate macrumors 6502a

    Jan 22, 2006
    Clearwater, FL
    Tell him you want to use PayPal or your not buying. :)
  5. robo74 macrumors 6502

    Feb 6, 2004
    Near Chicago
    Sounds very fishy....I would avoid it if it were me.

  6. wakerider017 macrumors 68000


    Sep 20, 2006
    US of A
    This is a scam.

    Some one tried to pull this on me before. (Very obvious to me as I have used ebay for years and seen just about every scam in the book)

    Think about it. No company is going to play middle man with peoples stuff and money. They would not have anywhere to put all the stuff and things would have to be double shipped.

    If you send the money you might as well kiss it good bye.
  7. Keebler thread starter macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005
    thanks guys. i figured as much. man, i'm bummed. i guess the $2000 cdn for a g5 dual 2.5 (not quad) and 23" acd was a little too good to be true :)


    i guess i'll just stick with my g4 dually. (i love it, but would love a quieter g5 :)
  8. Agurri macrumors 6502


    May 8, 2005
    Québec, Canada
    Well, good job for first asking here about that... it too you 10 minutes .... but you saved 2000 $ .... that's not bad :).
  9. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Send me your money, and I'll send you a free gift valued at $5000US or a thank you card from Hallmark (a $1.99 value.)
  10. Keebler thread starter macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005
    hey guys,

    thought i would post the email i received after my initial email to him:


    the system is in Quebec (at PaySafe official location). It could take up to 25 days to set up an appointment to pick it up and I am not going to wait that long. I am sorry but I didn't note the serial# before dropping it in PaySafe custody so I can't provide you with.
    Anyway, let me explain you how PaySafe works and how we can proceed:
    In order to start the official transaction, I need to know your full name and shipping details.
    As soon as I receive this information, I will forward it to PaySafe and as soon as they have all the details, they will start the transaction and notify you with all you need to know regarding it (payment instruction, shipping, my account status etc) As soon as the payment is complete, you have to send them the payment information, they will verify it and proceed with the shipping. You will have 10 days return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the system and decide either you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they will release me the funds, if not, you will have a complete refund within 3 days. So I am waiting your email. "

    i obviously told him that i didn't feel comfortable with the circumstances.

  11. wakerider017 macrumors 68000


    Sep 20, 2006
    US of A
  12. livingfortoday macrumors 68030

    Nov 17, 2004
    The Msp
    Such a scam, sheesh. I hate people who try to pull crap like that. If only there were a way to pull a P-p-p-Powerbook on him...
  13. wakerider017 macrumors 68000


    Sep 20, 2006
    US of A
    Tell him that you just dropped off a Mac Pro at paysafe. And you will trade him for him for the G5, Display, and CASH.

  14. Keebler thread starter macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005
    no kidding. it's too bad there are privacy laws. too bad we couldn't pay $100 to use the police systems to trace the email and find the f*cker and pay a little visit.

    if anything, he got my hopes up :)

  15. thegoldenmackid macrumors 604


    Dec 29, 2006
    dallas, texas

    some monopolies are good....

    paypal is one of them.
  16. jcbryan macrumors newbie

    Oct 18, 2004
    SW Oklahoma
    Yep, the PaySafe is a scam. I found a Toyota Celica in the NYC area at a reasonable price. The buyer had "it ready to ship" at the paysafe brokers.
    I told him I would be flying into JFK later this month. Ha, he demanded that it would be shipped, not to be picked up. THis went on for several emails, eventually he sold it right out from under me! Amazing, he located another buyer after I told him I'd send my flight number.

    A friend who got scammed told me to tell your seller you'll just be by to pick it up, see if you get a reply!:rolleyes:

    Don't do it! I know you've already dropped it, just more words of warning to the untested.

    Best, John
  17. Keebler thread starter macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005
    thanks JC. i didn't do it. i sent an email back saying thanks, but not thanks...not comfortable not seeing the equipment before paying etc..

    here was the response and i have to admit, it's kind of tempting seeing as they would ship to me first, but i can't and won't take the chance:

    "I just checked with PaySafe and I was informed that they can proceed with the shipping before you send the payment. As soon as I will provide them with your shipping details, they will start the transaction and notify you with all the details, after that they will proceed with the shipping and provide you with a tracking number. Only after you'll receive the tracking# and verify the shipping you have to make the payment using the exact details they provide you with and send all the details to PaySafe.
    So I will be waiting your email."

    i can't find anything on the net or in the yellow pages for this paysafe. it's gotta be a scam.

  18. ITASOR macrumors 601


    Mar 20, 2005
    Oneida, NY
    That's very true. When you're dealing with a complete stranger on eBay or another mailing list or something, it's always a good idea to start right off that you are considering local pickup (even if you have to lie about where you currently are). You'll know right away if they actually have the item, especially if it's a big item like a car or Power Mac. Who would WANT to ship one of those if they didn't have to?
  19. Keebler thread starter macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005
    hey..does anyone know if i can be traced through email back to my house etc..?

    i ask b/c i was thinking of responding to this guy that i would like to buy the powermac, but then put my name (fake last name) and the address of the local police station :) i was also thinking of call the cops and seeing if there was anyone to speak to about internet fraud. maybe they would respond and use some police money to catch these guys?

    BUT, and this may be wimpy, i have 2 kids at home so that last thing i want to do is to endanger them by having some mob nobs come after me if they can trace it back to me?


  20. ErnestGray macrumors newbie

    Feb 22, 2007
    PaySafe Scam

    I just came across this guy in a Philadelphia Craigslist ad. He was selling a computer and gave me the whole overseas thing. I reported him to the following website with all the info that I had (i.e email address, websites, phone numbers). It was the least I could do.


    Hope this helps!
  21. flyinmac macrumors 68020


    Sep 2, 2006
    United States

    Yes, I could trace you by e-mail address.

    I've had the misfortune of being scammed by a few thousand dollars. So, I did a bit of investigating with the Internet.

    He had moved since the initial transaction, and claimed financial hardships, divorce, and business failures caused his unfortunate inability to make good on the money he still owed for the business transaction. Further, he had changed all his information (except his name) to make pursuing him difficult.

    So, with the help of the Internet, I located:

    1) His new address
    2) Pictures of his new residence and surrounding area (thank you Google Earth).
    3) all the previous entities that had sued him recorded in public records of the state and local courts
    4) pictures of his wife and step-kids on their recent vacation (despite being supposedly in the middle of a divorce and having been "screwed royally" by said "X-Wife"). They looked quite happy on this vacation that took place after being divorced and supposedly not on speaking terms.
    5) documented evidence that he was still with his wife and that they were still quite happy.
    6) pictures of the inside of his house
    7) a rough list of his assets
    8) Employer information, and list of partners
    9) pictures of him in his cubical at his office
    10) Do I really need to go on? I could have been him with all the information I collected just from knowing his e-mail address, name, and IP address from e-mails.

    By the time I was done compiling information, I had enough information on him that I could just about become him. And, with all the documentation I had, he had no wiggle-room to hide from any legal proceedings. I could prove all his lies, and prove where the truth actually was.

    Now, just imagine what someone could do if they meant you harm.

    The thing is, that I can use the e-mail address and IP address attached to that e-mail to determine if the two match. If they don't, then I can look at the information separately, and combine it with other pieces of information to determine the most likely truth.

    If it's an e-mail address that you've had for a while, then I can really gather information because that address will be tied to other things on the Internet. This forum for example. And, anywhere else where you've used that address, or where someone has discussed someone with that address.

    I can combine what I gather to determine whether that is your real name, or if there is another name that is associated with the information I've collected.

    I've actually avoided several deals and discovered potential frauds by simply checking an e-mail address on the Internet.

    When I purchased my wife's computer second-hand, I had only an e-mail address from the seller. Nothing more other than his assurances that he was honest.

    With just his e-mail address (that's all I had to start), I found out what his interests were. I learned about his activities. Learned what organizations he was involved with. Discovered that had written several published articles calling on politicians to crack down on child predators.

    Basically, I had a complete political profile of him. I even had pictures of his home-office / work-space. And, knew where he lived, and other such information.

    After I had enough information on him, I went ahead and purchased the computer. The transaction went smoothly.

    I don't usually create a full profile of everyone I purchase from. But, I do watch closely for irregularities in stories. There were two messages he had sent me that had very minor discrepancies in how they related to the same information. They were minor, but concerning. I questioned him about the irregularities, and he provided a reasonable answer. But, I wanted to make sure of who I was dealing with for my own comfort.

    I sold a computer to a lady and everything went smoothly. And, about a year later, I was contacted because of some irregularities in the payment (long story). I couldn't get a reply from her using any of the information I already had from her. And, I was being sent to collections because of debt she owed (it was a mess and would take pages to explain). The collection agency wouldn't provide me with any information because it was against the rules. It took me quite an effort just to find out who was trying to collect the money.

    In the end, I tracked her down. With nothing more than a name and e-mail address (old information was no-longer useful), I learned her profession (a very prestigious occupation). I knew which events she was involved with, what associations she was a part of, and which boards she sat on. In the end, I was released of liability, and the people pursuing me dropped all charges and went back to where they should have been going in the first place (her).

    All the above examples are instances where I obtained all that information over the Internet.

    Now, you should see what I can do with a telephone. And, if you're local, I can really pull some information.

    The thing is, that for me, I only use such tracking techniques to save my own butt. But, you should be aware that everything on the Internet can be cross-referenced and compared to produce a full picture of the person in question. There's enough information out there to identify you exactly with very little information to start with.

    Now, I do know how to send an untraceable e-mail (one which cannot be traced because it is routed through various servers in such a way that all originating information is lost). But, of course that would make it difficult to carry-on a conversation with someone. So, that wouldn't really serve your purposes. Untraceable e-mails are most useful for scaring someone, harassing them, or making information public without being identified.

    Likewise, you can route your Internet IP address and re-route it a few times to make it harder to pin-point you on the Internet. But, again, in a situation where you are directly talking to someone, that would be of little use either.

    About the closest thing you could do to carry-on a conversation with the type of person you are describing without being traced, would be to:

    1) re-route your IP address through at-least 4 or 5 different servers to mask your real address.

    2) with IP address sufficiently masked, set-up a free account somewhere for e-mail or chat. One example might be to set-up an account on a forum where he hangs-out, and then use private messages to talk to him. Always make sure your IP address is sufficiently masked before going to the site and logging-in. Otherwise, the IP address will give you away.

    3) Make sure only false information is associated with that account. But, keep in-mind that under terms of most agreements, this will amount to perjury, and is legally prosecutable if they can find you (and if they care).

    4) Make sure you clear all your cookies, and other information retainers on your computer both before and after each online session. And, remember to not participate in other things that might identify you while your IP is masked.

    In short, it's probably not worth your time and effort to mess with the guy. I'd leave it alone. If he knows anything about computers, he'll be able to find you.

    I don't think he'd likely care enough to try and find you unless you really upset him. But, it's probably not worth it if you are concerned that he may try to find you.

    It's really just best to leave those kind of people alone. Let the law enforcement know anything you already know about them. But, if you are going to actually pursue them, do it through the law enforcement agencies.

    Nothing you do on the Internet is untraceable unless you go through enough hoops to cover yourself.
  22. roadtrip macrumors newbie

    Feb 28, 2007
    Scam artist

    That guy has been pulling that scam for a while. I checked with BuySafe after receiving an official-looking notice from them. I was suspicious because the seller was requesting $ wire transfer as the only form of payment. Fortunately, I'd read the warnings on Craigslist about this scam. After contacting BuySafe I was told that it was a bogus email--as i suspected.:mad:
  23. afernando macrumors newbie

    Mar 5, 2007
    harley davidson

    I saw a harley davidson on craigslist. The owner, ralf stromboli says he is in uk and the bike is in Atlanta with paySafe. Ralf wants me to send a money order to the paysafe agent sean mcwilliam (who is also in UK), then paySafe will deliver the bike and i will have 10 days to decide if i want to keep it or return it at the cost of paySafe. If i decide to keep the bike, only then will paySafe give ralf the money. Does anyone have any actual purchasing experience or are we all just speculating that this paySafe thing is a scam? I really want this bike and I would hate to lose it for being too skeptical.
  24. afernando macrumors newbie

    Mar 5, 2007
    harley davidson

    let me add: I bought a truck before from philadelphia. I paid DAS to have it sent to me in california. I gave the money to a company (i think it was bidpay, i don't remember) and they kept the money until i received the truck. they gave the money to the seller after I accepted to keep the truck. Everything went fine. The only difference with the harley davidson transaction is that this time, the money is going to a person named sean mcwilliam and not to paySafe. Also, I can't find anything about paySafe but that they are a merchant account company.
  25. beefy23 macrumors member

    Feb 13, 2007
    Agent Mulder is that you?

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