Have the Democrats really been willing to negotiate?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Michael Goff, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. macrumors 603

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #1
    I don't know, it looks suspicious

    Let's look at the article.

    [​IMG]

    Wait. You're telling me the budget is actually roughly 19 billion dollars more than the spending hawk Paul Ryan?

    You're telling me that the Democrats have been negotiating all along?

    Weird, that's not what I hear. :rolleyes:
     
  2. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    #2
    Obama is saying he is unwilling to compromise. And has he not even proposed a budget as he is suppose to? I know if I don't then my days in employment are limited.
     
  3. macrumors 603

    mrkramer

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Location:
    Somewhere
    #3
    He said he isn't willing to pay a ransom by gutting the ACA. Anything else he has shown over and over again that he is willing to negotiate or more often just roll over and give the Republicans 90% of what they ask for. And even with the ACA he has offered that if anyone has ideas for improving it he will work with them, the problem is the Republicans have no ideas for improving it they just want to get rid of it and go back to the old system which is unworkable.
     
  4. macrumors 68000

    Sydde

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    #4
    huh?
     
  5. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    #5
    You watch and read very different web sites than I as well as get different things out of his speeches on this then I do.

    I guess if you are a Liberal you feel he roles over if he gives anything, and if you are a Conservative you see it as he never meets in the middle on anything.
     
  6. thread starter macrumors 603

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #6
    No, Obama has said he isn't willing to defund ObamaCare. It'd be like if I told you that I'd do my job if you let me punch you in the face. Then when you told me no, I said you weren't compromising. :|

    ----------

    Except ... we have proof that he has been compromising 90% of the time as opposed to the conservative talking point that is just plain bullcrap.
     
  7. macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    #7
    Ok, Then send me a link where Obama and/or congress has given in 90% of the time please. I am not perfect, and if I can be proven wrong here then great, but with a statement such as 90% that is very bold, and have to ask for a link on that one. Thanks
     
  8. macrumors 65816

    citizenzen

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    #8
    It's 10% less bold than your statement that Obama "never meets in the middle on anything."

    Can you provide a link for that?

    Thanks.
     
  9. thread starter macrumors 603

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #9
    Let's look at the big negotiations.

    http://3chicspolitico.com/2013/02/0...boehner-said-i-got-98-of-everything-i-wanted/
    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-6231221.html


    But, hey, here's a good link:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/
     
  10. macrumors 68020

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2006
    Location:
    California
    #10
    Are you kidding? The Democrats, well Obama really, has been more than willing to give away the keys to the kingdom except for his signature piece of legislation. When Democrats come to the table with what they are willing to give away, they're obviously willing to negotiate. Republicans on the other hand, come to the table with absolutely nothing then turn around and tell the CONservative media that Democrats aren't giving away enough.
     
  11. macrumors 68000

    VulchR

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Location:
    Scotland
    #11
    I do no think it is morally acceptable for Obama to negotiate away a law meant to help poor Americans get health insurance equivalent to that which rich people routinely get for their pets. But that's just me.
     
  12. macrumors 68020

    freeny

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Location:
    Location: Location:
    #12
    Negotiate on what? This was passed by the house and senate, deemed legal by the Supreme Court, a presidential election based on repealing this where the people chose to keep it... What else is there to negotiate?

    The GOP has lost this battle, they've taken the country hostage because they have nothing else left.
     
  13. macrumors 603

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    #13
    No no no. Not even close. Obama and the democrats have compromised plenty.

    The Republicans aren't trying to "compromise". They're straight up trying to extort the President and this country because they didn't get what they wanted through the proper legislative methods. In any other situation, the Republicans would face criminal charges for this extortion. It's just like the mob used to do when they came into your business and forced you to pay them if you wanted to keep your business going.

    Shouldn't you be saying this about Speaker Boehner, the Speaker of the House, who is refusing to let the House take a vote on a clean spending bill despite the fact that there are more than enough votes to let it pass and reopen the government?
     
  14. macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Location:
    Denver/Boulder, CO
    #14
    "Nice country you have here. Be a shame if anything happened to it..."
     
  15. macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #15
    Wait until the debt ceiling debate in 2 weeks.
     
  16. macrumors 6502

    Jesla

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    Tennessee USA
    #16
  17. macrumors G3

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #17
  18. macrumors 6502

    Jesla

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    Tennessee USA
    #18
    ummm….maybe that we can't believe Obama when he speaks, especially with regards to Obama Care.
     
  19. thread starter macrumors 603

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #19
    What does that have to do with the subject of whether or not he has negotiated with the Republicans?
     
  20. macrumors 6502

    Jesla

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    Tennessee USA
    #20
    If he says 'no compromise' how much of that would be true…..

    Is he saying no compromise?….
    Or something else? I'm just asking?
     
  21. macrumors 68000

    Happybunny

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Location:
    's-Hertogenbosch Netherlands
    #21
    Obama care was passed by the house and senate, deemed legal by the Supreme Court, a presidential election based on repealing this where the people chose to keep it..if it passed all these hurdles, why should a small minority shut everything down.

    That is not how democracy works.:rolleyes:
     
  22. macrumors 6502a

    jnpy!$4g3cwk

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2010
    #22
    Feel free to compare the President to John Boehner. Please check my arithmetic, but, I prefer the President's results compared to Boehner, 28% to 53%, for the sum of "mostly false, false, and pants-on-fire".

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-boehner/

    You must be talking about Ted Cruz. A whopping 64% in the last three categories:

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

    Not only that, but, he can't even figure out the moral of "Green eggs and ham."
     
  23. thread starter macrumors 603

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #23
    He's saying he isn't going to cut ObamaCare just so that the House of Representatives actually does their job. And that's what this is all about the HoR refusing to do their job. If this was any other field, their bosses would have already told them to hit the bricks.
     
  24. macrumors 603

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    #24
    That's the best part of this whole cluster****.

    One of the Dems should go up on stage and read green eggs & ham and then point out how it's about you shouldn't say you don't like something until you at least try it.
     
  25. macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2009
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    #25
    I for one think the Republicans should have let this one go through and watch the wheels fall off. Democrats shift from playing the victim while they are out of the office and like to push away any accountability for things that occur while they are in office.

    Id let them own this turd of a bill and let them spend all of their political points trying to polish it.

    ----------

    There are many things in life you can say you don't like without trying it. Stabbing yourself is probably one of them.

    Handing over the entire US citizen base to private corporations through forced service purchases might be another.
     

Share This Page