hey graphics people, what do you prefer to use?

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  1. jefhatfield Retired

    jefhatfield

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    i only dabble in the graphics end of computers, but my wife has macromedia freehand, adobe illustrator, pagemaker, photoshop, and i have microsoft front page 2000

    what do you find best for beginners? pro users?
     
  2. timbloom macrumors 6502a

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    Photoshop and a good photoshop how-to book, ... by the fire..
     
  3. D0ct0rteeth macrumors 65816

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    Illustrator and Photoshop are of course indespensible. InDesign is basically replacing quark lately.


    As far as web development; I find frontpage to be useless... I was a longtime handcoder; but dreamweaver is just too smooth of an application to ignore.

    Im a dreamweaver lover; but with all code I find it necessary to edit by hand - passing variables and any serious code requires a code only view.

    Many larger clients; HP, Comaq and so on actually hire people to go through and read each line of code to ensure that it meets their standards. I bang out the html in design view then build the php in code view.

    Its like butta :)

    -Doc
     
  4. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i have only met one person who likes it ;)

    i just bought it because the college gave a course on it
     
  5. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    photoshop, illustrator, golive and flash

    but lightwave is my main app - all the others I use more as utilities to lightwave. :D Which doesn't mean I'm ignoring them - I have to really master each to use them effectively (still working on being better with all of them).

    D
     
  6. janey macrumors 603

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    indesign -> piece of crap (sorry but even though quark ain't os x native yet, i still like it and it still has the cooler name!)
    i like photoshop the most, for web development dreamweaver is also cool ;)
     
  7. D0ct0rteeth macrumors 65816

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    Its fine as an entry level app - like .mac's homepage; but it writes the worst code ever... i'm just bustin your chops jef :)

    I coudn't tell you the number of times I had a consultant give me a frontpage file that I had to completely redo because of the 87 font, layer and table tags :)

    Good times, baby

    -Doc
     
  8. howard macrumors 68020

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    i don't think anyone could even think of topping photoshop and illustrator. i love adobe's programs. there so thorough and easy to use. and for web design its dreamweaver all the way. i don't think macromedia's programs are quite as easy to use as adobe but they are definitely just as thorough
     
  9. Computer_Phreak macrumors 6502

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    well, im no pro

    but Photoshop is THE standard.

    I even know a little of it myself:D
     
  10. shakespeare macrumors 6502

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    Totally InDesign for layouts. I don't know what's the deal with Über. It is a gorgeous program and it does everything I always wanted Quark to do. I am now Adobe across the board and I'm very happy about it.
     
  11. janey macrumors 603

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    i love adobe
    I HATE INDESIGN!!!!! QUARK IS SO MUCH BETTER AND COOLER.
    i did go indesign for a couple of weeks and i hated it.
     
  12. D0ct0rteeth macrumors 65816

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    Why do you stay with quark? What does it do that inDesign can't?

    -Doc
     
  13. FlamDrag macrumors 6502

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    Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, Dreamweaver, Sorenson Squeeze 3 and FCE, Acrobat. Freehand is nice to have around.
     
  14. shakespeare macrumors 6502

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    Cooler? Most of its features are hidden several levels deep in the menu hierarchy!

    Or wait.... is this sarcasm?
     
  15. janey macrumors 603

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    InDesign sucks. Adobe makes great products but InDesign ain't one of them :rolleyes:
    I just wanna stay with Quark and if you have a problem with that...
     
  16. janey macrumors 603

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    so? one of the most underrated programs ever is ImageReady because nobody knows that it comes with photoshop :rolleyes:
     
  17. D0ct0rteeth macrumors 65816

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    I don't own stock in adobe man, I was just asking. My preference comes from just my prior experiences and frustration with quarks "lack of features"

    I was looking for a reason or two to give quark another look as I haven't used it since InDesign went OSX, and lately the printers i use have embraced InDesign and erased any advantage Quark once had.

    Its cool man... I'm not insulting your preference, but stating mine (osx, rapid updates, and photoshop/illustrator integration) and asking for a reason to give quark another look.

    Have a good night.

    -Doc
     
  18. jethroted macrumors 6502a

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    I've been doing this crap for 5-6 years now, and I use Quark, Photoshop, Freehand, Illustrator, and Acrobat.
     
  19. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I will use practically anything but PageMaker.

    I've been using Adobe GoLive, LiveMotion, Photoshop, and Illustrator at home lately, along with the occasional use of the Corel Graphics Suite 10 since Illustrator doesn't do multiple page documents. I don't have a desktop publishing application at this time. Quark XPress works okay although it should be named Quirk XPress instead. I hope that they get the new version done before I take the class at school. I don't want to deal with Mac OS 9 again. :D

    If I could afford Studio MX, I would, but the more I use DreamWeaver, the more I appreciate GoLive. The only difference is that MM supports ColdFusion and that's huge right now.
     
  20. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    I've been hooked on Freehand for a few years now. Macromedia went south with it when v.10 came out...shouldn't have changed it as much as they did after v.9.

    I use Photoshop a lot. I'm not intensely skilled in it, but can do what I need with decent results.

    Prefer InDesign over Quark, not just for OS X's sake, but it's more compatible with Adobe's other software.

    I also use iVieMedia Pro for setting up image galleries.

    Otherwise...I dabble with Dreamweaver & Fireworks some.
     
  21. robotrenegade macrumors 6502a

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    My prefs:
    Print: Adobe Photoshop 7
    Adobe Illustrator 10
    InDesign 2.0.1

    Web: Adobe Photoshop 7
    Adobe Image ready
    Transmit
    BBedit
    Dreamweaver MX
    Flash MX
    Fireworks MX


    Multi-media: Drector MX
    Photoshop 7
    Flash MX
    Peak LE3.10
    Lightwave 7.2b
    Swift 3D

    If you get that you will be set for a while.
     
  22. e-coli macrumors 68000

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  23. DavidFDM macrumors regular

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    I prefer . . .

    Illustrator to Freehand

    I need to spend more time with InDesign before I can definitively say which i prefer. However, I was having a seriously hard time making a simple PDF in Quark 5 today. A font would not download. I opened the document (as Quark 4) within InDesign, fixed two line breaks and exported as PDFs. I am planning to do a big project in InDesign to really get a feel for the program but I am just so fast in Quark, I haven't had the extra time to spend learning the program.

    Photoshop

    Dreamweaver over GoLive, mostly because of the large amount of Dreamweaver Extensions but GoLive handles tables better.

    Flash

    VueScan

    FireWorks over ImageReady

    Hope this helps.

    - David
     
  24. DreaminDirector macrumors 6502a

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    prefer...

    I use Photoshop (there is no equal), illustrator, Golive, Flash.

    I used to use Quark, then got into InDesign. Now can't go back to Quark. Quark is dying. I loved it for a long time but I just cant stand for the (old) constant updates (3.31, 3.32, 4.0, then back to 3.32) with no real feature changes and the lack of the update to OSX (yes, I know it's in the works). I don't hate Quark, and I see no need to take sides, because for a very good long time Quark was king. Slowly the torch is being passed. Adobe does an amazing job of intergration. Sure, InDesign 1.0 has some MAJOR flaws, the fixed most of them in 2.0. Now it's a good layout program.

    I was taught in my design classes that it's not what programs you use to get the job done, but rather that the final product that comes from the job grabs attention and provokes thought.
     
  25. Nemesis macrumors regular

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    Uber, you're out of your mind.
    QuarkXpress is an ice-age app with an outdated interface and crippled functionality. Change and serving better their customers also is not their religion.

    You're on crack, Uber :) InDesign is a modern app. Works excellent.
     

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