High security at Reagan funeral

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  1. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I know this makes sense on one level, but can there be an any dumber time/place for a terrorist attack than Reagan's funeral?

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  2. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Why would it be dumb? I would guess there would be any number of high-ranking dignitaries there, including Dubya and many senior members of congress. Possibly even an ex-president or two will be there.

    I dunno, if I was a terrorist I'd certainly think about it. Probably not enough lead time to put anything together though.
     
  3. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    This flight restriction effects the airport where I'm based, about 12 nm distant from the Reagan Library. I heard some military aircraft overhead this morning. They're either patrolling or enforcing.

    4/5098 PART 1 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA, JUNE 7-9, 2004. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 30 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 341517N/1184904W OR THE VTU039014.2 FROM 0406080500 (2200 LOCAL 06/07/04) UNTIL 0406091700 (1000 LOCAL 06/09/04); WITHIN 10 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 341517N/1184904W OR THE VTU039014.2 FROM 0406080500 (2200 LOCAL 06/07/04) UNTIL 0406091700 (1000 LOCAL 06/09/04); EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC: A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN A 10 NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MILITARY AIRCRAFT, DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE (USSS) AND THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (POTUS), EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS, AND REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND CARGO AIRCRAFT THAT MEET OR EXCEED THE TSA''S DOMESTIC SECURITY INSPECTION PROGRAM PART 1! OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN

    PART 2 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA, JUNE 7-9, 2004. STANDARDS AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART 139 AIRPORTS. 2. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TFR ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE USSS PRIOR TO THIS NOTAM GOING INTO EFFECT TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS. B. WITHIN THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN 10 NMR AND 30 NMR LISTED ABOVE: 1. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR SHALL BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY. AIRCRAFT SHALL BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE 10 TO 30 NM RADIUS TFR AND OPERATING AT ALTITUDES OF UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 ARE END PART 2 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN

    PART 3 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA, JUNE 7-9, 2004. LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS AND ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. 4. FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON OPERATIONS AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, COMMERCIAL CARGO CARRIER OPERATIONS THAT FAIL TO MEET OR EXCEED THE TSA''S DOMESTIC SECURITY INSPECTION PROGRAM STANDARDS; ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. 5. ALL U.S. SECRET SERVICE CLEARED AIRCRAFT OPERATORS BASED IN THE AREA SHOULD NOTIFY THE US SECRET SERVICE PRIOR TO THEIR DEPARTURE. 6. ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE USSS PRIOR TO THIS NOTAM GOING INTO EFFECT TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS WHEN THE NOTAM IS IN EFFECT. C. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS END PART 3 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN

    PART 4 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA, JUNE 7-9, 2004. FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE REQUIRED CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION. END PART 4 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN​
     
  4. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Anybody who doesn't think anti-terrorism security isn't being taken seriously should have tried "just dropping by to say Howdy" at the G8 conference. A local newspaper article said some 8,000 badges were in and around the area.

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  5. LethalWolfe thread starter macrumors G3

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    Plenty of targets of course. But the repercussions<sp?> of such an attack would be out of this world.


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  6. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    not sure i'm reading you right...

    are you saying that al qaeda, for example, would be too scared to try anything this friday because AQ would face consequences?
     
  7. Neserk macrumors 6502a

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    Do you think his body is really in the casket that everyone is going to visit?
     
  8. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    Yes.
     
  9. LethalWolfe thread starter macrumors G3

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    Not really saying they are scared just that it would be a really bad idea, IMO. Right now there is division in the US and division in the world in regards to overseas, and some domestic, policies.. An attack on the funeral will no doubt rally and enrage<sp?> the US well beyond 9/11 levels and could draw a world unity not felt sense shortly post 9/11 days (especially if other world leaders and notable figures die).


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  10. Neserk macrumors 6502a

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    Why? Wouldn't there be a risk of someone stealing or at least *trying* to steal it?

    I also don't get people going to look at a casket. I'd understand if it was actually open. But they can't see anything but brown box with a flag over it. For all we know it is some poor indigent person they put in there...
     
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    it's an interesting scenario. i don't have quite the level of certainty that you do of the described effects. i'm not sure what would happen. i could see the US wanting to do some sort of overwhelming military strike (missiles in search of a target), but european nations, e.g., urging caution.

    it might cause some kind of US/EU argument and split things even further.
     
  12. LethalWolfe thread starter macrumors G3

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    Like I said, the world wide effect would depend on how many world leaders, dignitaries<sp?>, and other notable<sp?> mourners were killed paying their respects.

    Many (most?) cultures have a good deal of respect and/or reverence <sp?> for the dead and I can see an attack on the funeral striking a fundamental chord that travels beyond borders.


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  13. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    An attack on American soil that kills 3000 or so would do the same thing don't you think? Why should they fear the response to an attack on Reagan's funeral any more than what they've gotten already? Particularly since our response was to shoot from the hip at a guy who had nothing to do with 9/11. If I was al Qaeda, I'd be thinking that the worst that would happen is that the US would attack Syria, or maybe Iran, not the actual perpetrators.
     
  14. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    Why? because that's what they do at funerals. We can get wrapped up in "what if" scenarios and conspiracy theories much too easily. This is straight forward stuff. If one has proof of some body switching going on, then let's deal with it. Otherwise, we don't have to make stuff up about such things.
     
  15. Neserk macrumors 6502a

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    Not making up, just curiosity...
     
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    So, let me get this right. Osama is sitting in his cave reading the Washington Post, when I reads that Reagan is dead. He says puts down his latte and says "forget about that plot we've been working on, let's attack on Friday".

    I don't think so. The 9/11 plot took how long to conceive, plan out and execute? These guys don't improvise.

    In other news: I was standing in a security line at an airport for an hour today while a large group of agents inspected the shoes of thousands of traveling Americans. We may be losing the war on terrorism, but at least we are winning the war on exploding shoes.

    Kevin Drum:

    TERROR AT 20-YEAR HIGH?....Remember that terrorism report issued by the State Department a few weeks ago? The one showing what a great job we were doing reducing terror? Not so fast:

    LA Times:
    On Tuesday, State Department officials said they underreported the number of terrorist attacks in the tally for 2003, and added that they expected to release an updated version soon.

    Several U.S. officials and terrorism experts familiar with that revision effort said the new report will show that the number of significant terrorist incidents increased last year, perhaps to its highest level in 20 years.

    ....[A] senior official characterized the errors as clerical, and blamed them mostly on the fact responsibility for the report recently shifted from the CIA to the administration's new Terrorist Threat Integration Center.

    ....For example, the State Department report listed 190 terrorist attacks in 2003, including 169 "significant" ones. But [Rep. Henry] Waxman said a review showed the report stopped counting terrorist incidents on Nov. 11, leaving out several major attacks, including bombings of two synagogues, a bank and the British Consulate in Turkey that killed 62 and injured more than 700.

    Waxman said a State Department official blamed the Nov. 11 cutoff on a printing deadline.

    The bombing in Turkey happened on November 20.

    I may not be an expert on terrorism, but I've had an awful lot of printing done in my career and it's hardly credible that the printing deadline for an April report could have been early enough to cut off data gathering six months earlier. Unless they're using a printshop from hell, a report like this would have headed to the printer sometime in March.

    It's embarrassing, really. These guys can't even be bothered to come up with good excuses anymore. It's almost like they know that no one in the press will even bother to challenge them.
     

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