Hilary Rosen (former RIAA CEO & Chairwoman) criticises iTune...

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  1. macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    Her own organization, the RIAA, hires people to create and distribute those viruses to deliberately infect P2P sites. I wonder if Hillary Rosen ever met the truth.
  3. macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    she knows how to whine thats for sure. iTunes is a closed system because it works flawlessly and because it is competeing against the proprietray .wma standard that MS is trying to create a monopoly with. the one thing that apple may want to do is license out fairplay.... but there goes that nice integration
  4. macrumors member

    Jul 22, 2002
    Now that's funny. The former leader of the RIAA critisizes Apple for using DRM to protect iTMS's music files. Wow. Is she so out of touch with reality that she doesn't realize the irony of her comments? The reason the iPod is a closed system is because of the DRM! Oh, Apple doesn't want to play in Microsoft's sandbox? Boo hoo.

    Here's an idea: Apple, Microsoft, Real, and everyone else stops using DRM and promotes open music files. People will buy and not pirate because they can actually get something with value. You don't sell products by criminalizing people, you sell products by offering people value. People will buy Tiger rather than pirate it off download sites because they want to support Apple. Apple treats them well and offers value. Why can't the music industry stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats and start acting like a decent business for a change?

  5. Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    Yeah, the RIAA is a big credibility disintegration field.... :( Criticizing the only online music store people actually use is out of line. Unless, of course, you're on the RIAA's side, and you're getting a kick of prosecuting teenagers for stealing music instead of providing them with a viable alternative....
  6. macrumors 68040


    Mar 24, 2003
  7. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2003
    lol the RIAA and The Devil are one and the same. I see no distinction.

    *edit continue rant*
    She dares to criticize iTunes. It says alot when the only online-music purchasing method i support is iTunes. And closed? Hah. Apparently she must be stuck in 1997...
  8. macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    for some reason i just laughed when i saw this, but thats probably becaue i agree with you!
  9. macrumors 6502a


    Nov 26, 2002
    sunny san diego
    "but when, oh when, will Steve Jobs let me buy music from somewhere other than the Apple iTunes store and put it on my iPod?"

    uh what?! hilary, you can buy/share/steal your music from where ever you'd like and then put it on your ipod in quite a few different formats. you are far from forced to use itunes. "out of touch" is putting it too nicely, how bout you [bleepin] hypocritical [bleep], go [bleep] yourself and the [bleepers] you used to work with and rode in on... lol i used to hate the riaa as a group, but now i can start singling out one person, woohoo, thanks.
  10. macrumors regular

    Dec 8, 2003
    Washington State
    Loved these quotes too...

    "Why am I complaining about this?"

    Because Hilary, in your family intelligence skips a generation.

    "Why isn’t everyone?"

    See above...
  11. macrumors G5


    Aug 1, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    So would she rather Apple use a DRM much like Napster2Go that can be cracked easier than a paper thin piece of glass?
  12. macrumors member

    Oct 23, 2003
    "But those other music sites have lots of music that you can’t get at the iTunes store..."

    This seems to be her only real point that could be debated. But is this really so? Since this is the only credible argument she should at least offer some examples or data. And if it is the case, it's also the fault of the record labels or artists who fail to saturate all available services with their content. Just because 'playsforsure' is licensed across many players/manufacturers, doesn't mean it's an 'open' DRM format -- it's still proprietary. So, breadth of content is really the only axe to grind IMO.
  13. macrumors 68020


    May 7, 2003
    Saint Augustine, FL
    The failure in the Windows analogy is that no one is EVER forced into iPod/iTMS. It's not like you go to school and have to use an iPod, or go get a job in the IT industry and they assign you an iPod to sit at all day, and therefore you better be damn diligent on how to use one of those bastards.

    It >IS< an open market. There isn't a single consumer out there who is forced to use the iPod. There isn't a single user out there who is forced to use iTMS (although, technically, if you own a iPod, you use iTunes, and iTunes IS the iTMS, so that's not really even a point). There are people who are forced to use Windows.

    Don't want to use iPod/iTMS? Fine! Use the Dell <funny serial number> and Real's music store. I don't care. Don't make Apple break a successful vertically integrated model, just so you can buy from some other online music store.

    How come Gillette didn't get in this mess for inventing a cheap, disposable razor, but charging everybody for proprietary razor blades.

    (I'm ignoring the silly "incoming freshmen get iPods" crap in this rant)
  14. macrumors 65816


    Oct 7, 2004
    Raleigh, NC
    Wow this sure sounds very familiar :mad:
    I wonder how much she got paid by Napster & Co.

    If she swallows a fly, she'll have more brain in her stomach than in her head.
  15. macrumors 68040


    Oct 19, 2004
    Calgary, AB
    It must be fun to have/have had a job where all you really had to do was complain without having any real logic to back up your arguments. :rolleyes:
  16. macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    I think whatever she would claim, she actually isn't worried about consumer lock-in. What she's worried about is producer-side lock-in. The RIAA members are locked in to the iTunes Music Store; they have to do business with the iTMS or their competitors will get the purchases there instead. The RIAA probably isn't happy about this.
  17. macrumors regular

    Jul 7, 2003
    Columbus, Ohio area

    I say, why BOTHER using another service? The iTunes store is the best. Most of us aren't complaining because we don't care. I fire up iTunes, I buy a song, I sync my iPod. Done. No other service would likely be that smooth.
  18. macrumors 68020


    Jan 26, 2003
    Two lies in as many sentences

    GOOD GOD! WTF is this @#$%&* talking about? Is this a joke? Is she that stupid or is she just a pathetic liar? Both of those sentences are outright falsehoods, and anyone with an even passing knowledge of the iPod or a Rosen's history with the RIAA knows that she's full of it. I'm not even going to read the rest of it. Life's too short to spend it reading someone else's lies.

    How does someone this idiotic get into a position of power? She's a fool... and an ignorant one at that. What a @#$%&* moron! :mad:
  19. macrumors regular

    Jul 22, 2002
    New York City
    Few people complain becasue it works so well. Apple controls the software and the hardware. just like the mac. thats why it works.

    When someoen can figure out how to top itunes (which can happen contrary to popular belief around here) then we'll hear complaints and they will need to be adressed and i'm sure htey will.

    right now i'm content and apparently so are the majority of ipod users.
  20. macrumors newbie

    May 9, 2005
    more on Ms. Rosen

    Quoted from Wikipedia's entry on Hilary Rosen:

    "On November 30, 2004, Rosen became the interim director for the Human Rights Campaign, a leading GLBT lobbyist organization, following the ouster of Cheryl Jacques. Hilary's partner, Elizabeth, was the executive director of HRC for eight years prior to Jacques' assumption of the post."

    While I'll be the first to admit I know next to nothing about Cheryl Jacques' tenure at HRC, I was a big fan of hers in her previous career in Massachusetts politics. And I'm struck/dismayed by this, uh, coincidence...
  21. macrumors 68000


    Jun 22, 2003
    It simply floors me that a member of the RIAA has the undying gall to call another organization anti-consumer.
  22. macrumors member


    Apr 4, 2005
    This lady is dumb. She's also a huge Windows freak.

    You can easily put the songs that you buy online from other sites on your iPod. I can't see why she's having a problem.

    Some of you mentioned that she wants to use .wma; but .wma? that's just stupid. Apple != Microsoft. It's not Apple's fault that ppl in Redmont made up some stupid .wma format that noone wants to use.

    I think this lady is just jeleous.
  23. macrumors 6502

    Jul 6, 2004
    Nagoya, Japan
    Rosen is obviously frustrated that Mac users haven't capitulated to the Windows Media / DRM / no-rights-to-use-your-own-computer farce that all the other major stores are subjected to. But it takes a real moron to say that offering a better solution is anti-competitive!

    Industry shills and con-artists like Rosen gleefully ignore the fact that restriction-free formats like the ubiquitous MP3 work great on the iPod. It's the other stores' faults (and the RIAA's fault) that they don't play nice by offering MP3 music. I mean, who actually wants digitally restricted WMA files? Not me, that's for sure.
  24. macrumors member

    Jul 22, 2002
    Again, instead of complaining that Apple's DRM isn't being licensed, why doesn't she take MS and its WMA store partners to task for using their own proprietary DRM in the first place? Guess what -- all those stores could ditch WMA and use an open standard (AAC) without DRM, and it would work just fine on the iPod! Imagine that!

  25. Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Don't Get It

    I still don't get why this arguement is valid since A. the only music store Mac's can use is iTunes and B. music should be the same in every store.

    Since when does Sam Goody have an album that Barnes and Noble didn't? I know this can be good to draw customers, but it doesn't happen in the real world. Music should be available to everyone. The RIAA doesn't get music. They only get Accounting 101.

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