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Holy cow! the new G6!
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Wow... I love last month's news. Maybe Apple will sue and get something back after losing all that money to to Apple Corp.
FuzzyBallz said:
The news isn't from last month. It's either nine months old or older.
This car was displayed at the 2004 North American International Auto Show, held at the Cobo Center in Detroit back in January.
Actually, GMs newer models are really good, they seem to be the first US company seeing what draws people to japanese cars. The Japanese make 3 times more profit off of their cars than GM who makes 3x as much as chrysler. Ford makes "no money" (on paper). Just a random fact.
Speaking of GM we should all be driving saabs!
Speaking of GM we should all be driving saabs!
x86isslow said:
What I meant by Japanese was Japanese designed cars, such as Toyota, Nissan, and Honda. I'm fully aware that many are made in the U.S. I own a Honda Accord which was built Ohio.
Japanese made cars consistently score MUCH better than American cars in Consumer Reports' annual auto issue. It pretty much shows you which cars are crap and which aren't. Most of those crap cars, albeit not all of them, are designed by American companies. GM is frequently on the very BOTTOM of the heap.
Personally, I prefer Honda/Acura. I'm looking to buy a Acura TSX here in the near future and interior quality and fit and finish is MILES and MILES ahead of anything I have seen recently in an American made car. The quality of the plastics and other materials is simply not the same.
Celeron said:
Although, they're at the top of the cheap, which is not to say that their cars are inexpensive. I've always been impressed when you put cheesy plastics in your more expensive cars that look just like your cheapest cars' plastics.
I'm partial to Subarus. '95 Impreza Outback with 100,000+ miles on it and so far we've had to replace a faulty temperature gauge.
toe said:
crazytom said:It looks like it's estimated at 22 city/32 highway....a real American car.
it requires 32 gallons of gasoline to move 1 mile !?!
and I thoguht the ferrari enzo was a guzzler....
no wonder they are giving them away for free.
bousozoku said:
Just in case you were referring to exterior plastics: The current design direction for Pontiac is away from cheesy plastics. The G6 has no extra plastic add-ons as Grand Ams have had in the past. The G6, GTO (rebadged Holden Monaro for you Australians), Solstice, Grand Prix and Bonneville all reflect the new, clean-lines look at Pontiac. If you were to put aside your Japanese cars-bias you could examine the picture at the beginning of this thread for cheesy plastics.
In case you were referring to interior plastics, current Cadillacs and Buicks have better plastics than the other lines, and within the other lines the upmarket cars have nicer interior plastics than the lower end ones (example: Corvette).
It's easy to knock American cars because of what that rolled off assembly lines before.
As Tommy! said, current American cars are way better than past American cars. Styling wise, American cars are way better than anything out of Japan (with one possible exception, the Honda S2000). Japanese cars tend to be plain in the styling department. Compare anything out of Japan to the Chrysler 300 / Dodge Magnum.
Rod Rod said:
Thank God Pontiac finally abandoned that ugly, cheesy "cladding" crap. It does seem like the Big Three have made some serious efforts to improve at least the external design of their cars. I mean the Crossfire, 300M, and Magnum from Chrysler are all pretty slick, on the outside at least. And the new F150 is sweet, man. Makes me think about trading in my Tundra - not quite [Toyota truck with a V8? - pry it from my cold dead fingers].
Personally, I have more faith in the interior fit and finish and the overall mechanical durability of Honda, Toyota, and even Nisssan over the current American rides. I hope that, in the next few years, we find that US automakers close that perceived gap and get back to the top of the heap again. They already are taking the edge in exterior design.
Rod Rod said:
Well said.
I don't know how anyone can bash GM vehicles anymore as they are very affordable, and they have made significant quality improvements that may soon rival or surpass japanese auto manufactures (they have already passed european manufactures):
"The Domestics are putting their money where their mouths are in terms of consistent long-term quality improvement," said Joe Ivers, partner and executive director of quality/customer satisfaction at J.D. Power and Associates. "However, while the Domestics continue to outpace the Europeans in long-term quality, the Japanese continue to dominate."
GM's quality numbers seem to be catching up every year:
"General Motors, which improves 2 PP100, remains the only Domestic manufacturer ranking above the industry average." "At the nameplate level, Lexus ranks highest for the 10th consecutive year. Lexus is followed in the rankings by Buick, Infiniti, Lincoln and Cadillac, respectively."
I see no reason for ignorant comments like the one from Sun Baked. (All quotes taken from the JD Power 2004 Vehicle Dependency press release)
If you were to use today's technologies and design a method of getting people where they want to be, would you design the combustion engine automobile and the modern highway system?
I'm thinking you could come up with something (a lot of things) better.
Here's a start... http://www.carfree.com/
I'm thinking you could come up with something (a lot of things) better.
Here's a start... http://www.carfree.com/