How can conservatives take themselves seriously?

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  1. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html

    With advocates like Rush, who needs enemies. :rolleyes:
     
  2. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    now i see where the rush limbaugh conservative fans get their labeling guns.... from the man himself.... "environmental wackos"

    the shortsightedness is amazing.

    sometimes i listen to his show. sometimes i do it when eating during a break from work (during the summer..). i always regret it because the result is always the same: wanting to vomit up my lunch..
     
  3. buffsldr macrumors 6502a

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    Are you serious, or is this a joke? I am wary of people who try to put people, including themselves, into "bins" like "conservative" or "liberal". What is a conservative, Rower? What is a liberal? We are all just people who vote our conscious. We may disagree on the implementation of our ideas, but some conservatives are as different as a conservative and a liberal.

    So how can conservatives take themselves seriously? As a group, "they" dont. As a collection of individuals, they probably believe in what they are doing.

    Please dont mislabel a group based on the actions of one. That group may not be as homogenous as one might expect.
     
  4. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    good call buffsldr.... you hit the nail on the head..

    no worries however, as i believe that is pretty much exactly what rower was trying to say... if you read up on the other political threads at the moment (takes time and a lot of patience), you'll see that a ridiculous article from the "other" side, ie, political right, was posted and the labeling has been going on incessantly. so i think rower was trying to point out the absurdity with his own thread on the matter...

    if that's not what he was doing, then, i hate him. ha
     
  5. jefhatfield Retired

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    good points

    rush gets a lot of press, but my GOP friends hold their views based on the elected leaders they like and not rush, who they see more as entertainment

    rush limbaugh's views thinking that abortion is "funny" and christianity is flat out wrong would not come across well in washington if he were elected

    and calling feminists and environmentalists by some unflattering names would not do very well in a congress that has to often work together

    and certainly his criticisms of secretary of state colin powell for being "too liberal" would not work

    because rush is not elected and not a politician, he can get away with believing and saying anything he wants...the more outrageous his claims or criticisms, the more money he makes

    i sometimes listen to jim hightower, an entertainer on the left, but i don't really put it into the equation of my political thinking

    same goes for al franken...funny stuff, though:D :D
     
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    American "liberals"...

    ... for those in foreign countries, are nothing of the kind. They are actually socialists, who believe in a large, powerful central government. They dominate the so-called "Democratic" party. These persons have not experienced the effects of socialism taken to its ultimate extent, such as the Soviet Union, and thus think that a powerful central government would be "compassionate". Every day, their compassion results in people losing their homes and businesses to confiscatory taxation. They also do not appreciate that expansion of the central government results in loss of personal freedom. George Mason, the author of the Bill of Rights foresaw this, and attempted to prevent it with the Tenth Amendment, but successive administrations managed to eviscerate that amendment, and so we have the huge Federal Government, a standing denial of the founding principles of the nation.

    "Conservatives" in the US, by contrast, are primarily representative of the big business interests in the country, major corporations. While they may give lip service to freedom, their main concern is that major corporations will be able to make more money with minimal hindrance. That is why you have the strange instances of "liberals" and "conservatives" working together to achieve goals which are clearly at odds with the interests of the people - for example, the DCMA.

    I suppose the fact that these labels are all blatant lies is probably true in other countries as well.
     
  8. jefhatfield Retired

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    right now with 51 senators, and maybe 52 if they get louisina, they are a force to be dealt with

    but there is a strong moderate wing in the GOP and a strong conservative wing so it will be interesting to see how that flushes out

    the business pundits with their ivy league educations and wall street money vs. the working class religious conservatives/gun conservatives/southern conservatives

    and i don't see a lot of people who belong to both wings so there will be a fight within the party to see who is top dog

    the moderates certainly have the money while the conservatives have the vast numbers of people
     
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    Oh come on people. None of the parties are right, which is why we have a multi-party system. All others aside, liberals and conservatives balance each other out pretty well. Each one keeps the other's ideals in check. To all those that bash each other's parties: if your people had free run of things, the country would collapse within a year. Seriously.

    I'm a complete libertarian, but i know that if the libertarian goals were met, things would be pretty messed up. Almost no government, no social programs, gun-totin' vigilantes running around.. it'd suck. But by going to an extreme, I can do my part in influencing the government away from some of the more anti-libertarian ideals, if that makes any sense.

    That said, rush limbaugh is a moron. he's just clever and says things that people can cheer for.
    Tho he's the one that got my dad to buy me my first Mac :)

    pnw
     
  11. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    How can democrats take themselves seriously with people like Barbra Streisand?

    It's really a pointless debate to even bring the media into politics. For the most part actors/radio hosts/"journalists" tend to be extremist idiots.
     
  12. SPG macrumors 65816

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    Re: American "liberals"...

    The Soviet Union was not Socialism taken to the extreme, it was an autocratic government bent on it's own self preservation by whatever means necessary. Has anyone here spent any time in the Soviet Union while it was still around? I actually have but thankfully it was toward the end, 1988 when people could get a way with saying a little more, as long as you looked over your shoulder first.
    The Soviets denied their people freedom of any kind, opressed any who dissented (many of my family were sent to Siberian concentration camps to die), and ran a government of fear and greed.
    Our current regime is heading the same way in that they feel that our civil rights are second to their profits and their agenda. Describe how this country would be if it was only the conservatives who held power for the last two hundred years, to simplify it we'll assume that there would be no dissent from the left, or even no left, just the right free to fully implement their agenda.

    You may proceed, I will return after brunch thankyou.
     
  13. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    Liberals are mostly fools who can't grow up, and who think it is the government's job to do everything for them.

    I'm going to regret saying this :D
     
  14. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    I'm going to regret agreeing with you.

    To add to previous statement by cubist I have to say that there is less and less a difference between conservatives and liberals. While liberals are pushing for social reforms that will bring about socialism. Conservatives are pushing for reforms for big business that in the end benefit the government and in there own will bring about socialism. I think at this moment unless people vote there mind rather then there party line, we are all screwed.
     
  15. diorio macrumors 6502a

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    Good point, you can't judge a political party on one person. I don't know why Rower tries to do so, it's quite obvious that some conservatives are different than others and some liberals are different than others. They just don't all go in the same hat.
     
  16. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    i will say again, i am pretty sure rower's point was that stereotyping/generalizing/labeling people with some sort of broad stroke doesn't work. but anyhoo
     
  17. diorio macrumors 6502a

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    Look at the title of the thread. That's all the evidence I need.
     
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    Well, most of the political debate going on here lately has been stereotyping/generalizing/labeling people... :p
     
  19. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    read some of the other political threads that are going on then. you'll see that it's just a reaction to the labeling that has been going on all over the place. some on both sides. but mostly from one particular gent....

    good to see you judging a book by its cover as it were though...


    hitman: yeah, that's exactly the point... as seen in other threads...
     
  20. Rower_CPU thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Thanks for the backup, jello.

    My intention with this thread is to show how ridiculous the other political threads are at this point. I'm not saying all conservatives are like Rush. I'm showing how idiotic it is to try to portray a group of people based on a generalization.

    If you want to debate politics, fine. Create a thread on a particular topic and we'll discuss it fully. But starting threads like "When will liberals see the light?" or "Conservatives: Vampires or just Zombies?" does nothing to start any sort of debate.

    They are meant to be inflammatory and set up this whole "us against them" mentality for the sole purpose of ganging up on people who feel/think differently (sound familiar?).

    Ovi, I hope you've gotten my point in all of the threads where we've had discussions. You come across as someone very young and immature who is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater just to get a reaction. People have tried to engage you in discussion, but you fail to give any kind of debate a chance.

    It's good that younger people are taking an interest in politics, but some of us here, and I know I'm not alone, wish that they would take some time to develop their ideas before shooting off their mouths.
     
  21. Groovsonic macrumors regular

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    ???

    If I didn't know any better, I would think this whole thread is flamebait.

    I am a right winger myself, but I wouln't persume to say that an entire group of people (such as liberal democrats) are stupid, or shouldn't be taken seriously. It seems that the point of this entire thread was to say that about conservitive republicans.

    One thing I have always wondered......Why are most all celebrities liberals???

    Are they smarter than everyone else????

    Are they more well informed???

    Name one sucessful actor or singer that is openly republican.

    Betcha can't (and arnold doesn't count. Name the last sucessful thing he was in.)

    Hmm....
     
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    Re: ???


    If you had spent anytime on here you would realize that any thread about politics or religion (this includes scientific theories) are all flame bait.
     
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    Democrats are not socialists. There is a huge difference. Anyway I'm not even a Democrat so why do I care? Anyway I'd like to see an argument against providing minimum protections to the worker.
    Should we repeal Social Security?
    Should we dismantle OSHA?
    Should we eliminate the minimum wage?
    Get rid of unemployment insurance?
    Outlaw the unions?
    Repeal child labor laws?
    How about product safety laws?
    Why not get rid of the FDIC?

    All of the above get in the way of corporations making more profit, or do they?
     
  24. Taft macrumors 65816

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    Re: ???

    Ummmm....

    Charlten Heston. Or how about Ted Nugent. I'm sure there are a ton more.

    But most celebs have no open political ambition. Are Britney Spears, N'Sync or any rappers out there openly campaigning for people or spouting like Heston or Streisand? Hell no. There's always just a few loudmouth celebs out there trying to further causes.

    Taft
     

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