How do you tell how fast your machine is? Running old apps and comparing? benchmarks? Count the secs for the app to open??? I truly wonder if we can tell the difference in speed in non-graphic (games, 3d, audio) apps? A short story of how my end-users could tell machine speed: Working on an old, distrubuted, light-pen based system at a hospital: Nurses and other "non-technical" folk could tell machine speed because as they light-penned their way throgh the screens (as they had done millions of times), they would postion their light pen over where they expected the next screen to display their choice. If they got their pen there before the screen could repaint we would get calls asking "what's happend to the system" bear in mind we're talking about a .5 - 1.5 second delay at most ;-) For me? If I can click form one app to the next, through the finder, etc with NO delay - that's good enough... and you???