How is this system?

Discussion in 'Macintosh Computers' started by zodiac, Mar 10, 2004.

  1. zodiac macrumors member

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    My dads friend wants me to buy his G4. Just wanting to know any opinions about this purchase.These are the specs...

    PM G4 MDD

    Dual 867MHz
    140gb dual harddrives(one 60gb and one 80)
    19" CRT flat screen Dell moniter
    1gb ram
    ilife 4
    halo,nascar 2003,F:1 2002,revon ghost and flight simulator 2002 and 2003 installed
    OS 10.2.8(Will be 10.3.2 or 10.3.3 when I get it)
    many section of it still in plastic(apple logo,parts of case,top of mouse,bottom of keyboard)

    $1500 CDN(1200 US or something)
     
  2. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    the computer is good and the price is ok I guess. I would offer 1300 or 1400. remember that a dual cpu G4 is nothing like a dual G5 because in a dual G4 both cpu's share the same bus. its a pretty complete system with a good amount of ram. do you know if it has been well cared for?
     
  3. jptrott macrumors newbie

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    Not a bad price considering everthing that is included. I bet you could talk him down a bit though.


     
  4. zodiac thread starter macrumors member

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    Yes, my dads friend is a mac specialist and in a mac club. The system is in basically mint condition and has been taken care of very well. About the cost, it's in canadian dollars and there is a lot of games(including Halo) and software with it.
     
  5. oldschool macrumors 65816

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    Are you in BC? I didnt know they had mac clubs here in canada. Could you give me some info about it? I'd be interested in joining.
     
  6. zodiac thread starter macrumors member

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    Actually, I'm in ontario.I think the club is just a bunch of people who use macs. The guy said it was a club and they can get factory price if they nag at apple. Not really an official club. Just a bunch of mac users who always nag at apple to the the right exchange rate price or factory price. they also seem to get games and software off a lot too.
     
  7. ffakr macrumors 6502a

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    A lot of the Dell Monitors are basically crap. A small percentage of the Dell branded CRTs are actually nice tubes. It'd be important to find out what type of monitor, how nice it is, is it flat?
    With the licensed software, it's a decent machine at a decent price. That is, considering how well Macs tend to retain their value.

    You should remember, however, that a dual 867MHz is not 1733MHz worth of performance. For applications that are not multi-threaded, the best you can do is get one cpu devoted to the application. A new game like Unreal Tourney 2004 pretty much runs like crap on my single 867MHz G4. UT2004 will take advantage of dual cpus, but it will only run the audio code on the second CPU. The rest of the Game doesn't benefit at all.

    For general use, It will be a very nice machine. OS X runs great on Duals.
    Compared to the latest/greatest however, you'll find that it doesn't look like all that great of a deal.
    If you were to compare the dual 867 to a single 1.6GHz... you'd find the G5 is only a few hundered more (for the base) compared to the G4.

    G5 advantage...
    better cpu performance
    better i/o (ports on front rule)
    better internal i/o.. much more bandwidth
    much quieter
    a warranty
    faster hard drive, faster removeable drive
    faster video card (unless you are getting a Ti4 in that dual)
    OS X 10.3 included
    ...

    If you are a stickler for the licences for the software, the G4 is a good deal. If you are more interested in price/performance, the G5 is a better deal. You'd have to add a monitor and more memory, but for maybe 30-40% more you'd get a much better setup.
    If it were me, I'd have to imagine that a G5 bump is just around the corner. If I wanted bang for buck, I'd wait for the new line and buy into the low end. If the last rumors are true, you'd be able to get a dual 1.8GHz G5 for a few hundred more than that G4 package. It'd be a MUCH better machine, and you'd just need a couple hundred more for a new 19" crt and a couple hundred more to beef up the memory significantly.

    If absolute cost was the primary issue, I'd say get the G4. The consumer line won't give you that bang for buck.. and we don't have any good info on when the consumer line will move to the G5.

    Now if Apple would just move the ENTIRE desktop line to the G5 and unlock dual head-ed support on the eMac.. that'd be a killer machine. Imagine an eMac with a single 1.6-1.8GHz and real dual headed support. For about $1200 you'd be able to get a G5 with a 17" flat CRT and a 19" CRT. Sweet rig. If they'd release this (with a radeon 9100/9200) in the spring, I'd seriously go out and buy one immediately instead of waiting till after WWDC for a G5.

    ffakr.
     
  8. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    he mentions that its flat. if it has 2 horizontal lines that devide it into thirds then its a sony tube and a very good monitor. I think pretty much all the dell flat crt were sony. only 2 companies I know of make trinitron crt and its sony and mitsubishi, both are very good. I have a viewsonic 19" pro series trinitron but i'm not sure if its a sony or mitsubishi tube. whatever it is I love it a whole lot.
     
  9. zodiac thread starter macrumors member

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    Ya, it's a trinitron CRT. Sure, it's a dell, but it is a beautiful, very hi res screen. And about gaming... Halo actually runs fairly smooth in this. And i'm not really a gamer who needs the best system. Hell, this is more than what I need. If I do ever want a game, it'll probably be like, diablo 1. If I do ever need to get a G5 for something, believe me, I make a decent amount of money. And my dads friend would get me it for factory price anyways.
     
  10. ffakr macrumors 6502a

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    I actually checked the pricing on the G5s in Canada.

    OWCH!!

    You canadians get bent over.

    I'd say buy the G4 for $1500 since the single G5 1.6 runs $2499 for the base model.
     
  11. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    haha, no

    here in canada we just use money in larger amounts for things of the same value. our min. wage is much higher. taxes are more, everything is just in larger numbers but no more a hit to our income than it is to yours.
     
  12. zodiac thread starter macrumors member

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    Yes, but the exchange rate between the US store and the canadian store makes it more expensive than it should be. The canadian dollar is actually something like a $1.30 for 1 american dollar now.
     
  13. Kit Fist0 macrumors newbie

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    The price is right for the deal, but if you really want he G5 wait awhile for the high Canadian dollar to readjust the prices. The price should go down soon.
     
  14. blue&whiteman macrumors 65816

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    I guess it doesn't work out perfectly even but its close. much better than it looks to an american at least. besides, duty sucks.
     

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