how long will W's numbers stay in the high range?

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  1. jefhatfield Retired

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    the president has an approval rating nearing 70% percent, almost as high as his father had in the early '90s...most likely due to a popular war against a hated dictator

    but how long will W stay popular?

    do you feel he is ignoring domestic issues like his father did...and will that cost the president the election?

    what do you think?
     
  2. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    I frankly think that he will continue to be popular for the foreseeable future and that he will be our president until 2008. (As much as I cringe at that thought.) Unless the Democrats can somehow manage to stop being such airheads and get their **** together...
     
  3. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    if economy is still weak, even walter mondale can walk into the white house

    edwards or gore will likely be the go to people

    maybe even senator clinton
     
  4. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    But the economy is weak now, and Bush is doing very well... if he can keep his War on Terrorism schtick up, he'll be all set.

    I think what happened with Bush Sr. was that the Gulf War either began too early or ended too soon. If it had begun in July 1992 instead of January 1991, I think he would have rolled all over Clinton.

    I would like to see more dynamic, individualistic candidates run for the presidency. McCain, Feingold, Wellstone (RIP), let's see... who else... it's a shame there aren't more elected representatives like this. :( Instead we're stuck with the dullest of the dull in Bush and Gore and probably most of the others who will be in the primaries.
     
  5. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    possibly true, but bush in '91 had a 90+ approval rating, the highest recorded number in united states history

    a year later, he was the dog of failed trickle down theory:p
     
  6. e-coli macrumors 68000

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    As soon as everyone figures out just how permeating the Information Awareness office is, I bet the approval rating will drop like the Hindenburgh.

    At least it should...and if that doesn't do it, the fact that John Poindexter (of the Iran Contra scandal) will be heading it, should.

    And I don't think the "War on Terrorism" is going very well, either. They're still as big of a threat as they were a year ago, and we've managed to miss all the "Big Fish"

    And I'll eat my hat if Kenneth Lay gets any prison time.
     
  7. agreenster macrumors 68000

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    First off, about the economy. Maybe I'm ignorant, but how can ONE man's decisions affect the entire country's economy? I have never been able to figure that out.

    I think W is simply a war-monger, out to seek revenge on his father's enemy. Period.

    Lastly, Gore will not run for president next term. He has fallen from politics (according to mainstream media), and all of his former people have all agreed that he has waited too long to rally monies and support for the upcoming election. Who knows though.

    And Hillary??? Gag me. Yuck. She is SUCH a B*tch.
     
  8. wdlove macrumors P6

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    I see no reason currently that would not allow a 2nd Bush administration. Polls show that Americans don't blame Congress or the President for the economy. Consumer spending accounts for 2/3's of the economy.

    Bush is conducting this war as his Constitutional mandate, US security is at stake. The US Senate overwhelmingly passed a reolution to support his action. Bush 41 went along with world opinion, there was no mandate at the time to attack Bagdad. Hind sight is always 20/20!

    The mantle of greatness is something that a man doesn't ask for, Theodore Roosevelt & Winston Churchill. The war Terrorism will last for the foreseeable future, a longterm situation, incidious in numerous countries. Its going to take time & resolve. I think his approval rating will stay high because the American people see that he is committed & means what he says, honesty.

    Al Gore was raised to be President, lived his whole life preparing. The last I heard, with Democrat primary voters he's ahead.

    Hilary Clinton wants an open seat, she's running in 2008. Sadly she has a 50% chance.
     
  9. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    i think the bolded word is an interesting typo. i'd have to assume that you meant "foreseeable", but "forceable" might make more sense, since politicians will continue to push the "war on terror" until it no longer suits their needs... granted, i don't think it started that way. but it has turned into a great way to keep the ratings high.
     
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    are we still scared?

    i'm afraid the GOP will remain in power as long as americans are scared. and the GOP is good at making sure we stay scared.

    GOP = Greed, Oil, Permanent War

    i invented that, so please credit me :)

    seriously, i think we'll be in a state of war for the rest of our lives. Bush and co. (Karl Rove, especially) aren't stupid -- they know their policies piss off the rest of the world. and that's good economic sense for their friends, relatives, and contibutors in the defense industries.

    anyone notice that the Afghan's preisdent's security force, previously US Special Forces, has been replaced by private contractors? (DynCorp, friends of the Bush family)

    a lot of the military is being privitized. watch as those contracts go to DynCorp, Halliburton (Cheney was CEO), Carlyle Group (Bush Sr. works there). not only does that funnel gov't money to Bush's friends, but those companies are more or less free to set prices. and since they're not fed gov't employees, they're non-union, don't have whistleblower protection, etc.

    permanent war. get used to it. and anything that promotes it, like terrorist attacks in the US.
     
  11. e-coli macrumors 68000

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    uhem...excuse me, but I would hardly compare Bush to Roosevelt and Churchill.
     
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    Re: are we still scared?

    first off, i like your acronym...i will call it into rush limberger's show next week ;)

    as a former cia and dod person, i would say that only some of the military is being privatized, not a lot of it

    while i was at dod, the permanent transition of the united states coast guard from the defense department to the transportation department was being done...for a little longer, the coast guard may aid the navy in times of war, but pretty soon, the uscg will be a full time, for all time, law enforcement agency of the department of transportation

    they will gain broad powers one could only dream about and the training and selection will become the most vigorous ever

    no longer will it be kelly's heroes or the dirty dozen...at least not with the coast guard

    will there still be mentally unstable personnel who get into the remaining military...army, navy, air force, marines?

    my guess, judging from john mohammad and timothy mcveigh...yes

    but try getting anyone with that type of powder keg personality in tomorrow's coast guard...it just won't happen

    sure, there will be one who slips through the cracks, but with all the drugs they capture, the uscg would want their personnel to be as clean and honest as possible
     
  13. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    it's one of the first things i learned in mba school, but most americans still vote their pocketbook and the president becomes a scapegoat during bad times in an presidential election year

    for the first time in memory, a sitting presidential candidate on top of years of mostly good economic times, al gore, lost the election

    now that is a choke manuever for all poly sci types to talk over for the next fifty years

    and for sports fans, how did the giants blow a strong lead late in game six of the world series?

    the economy could be in shreds and we could get our butt kicked in iraq with fifty thousand dead, as mentioned by a rather high ranking military person who knows the brutality of city warfare...see black hawk down...and someone like gore would still not be able to capitalize on that and win an election

    he has tried to remake himself too much and the only politicial dead man who pulled off a true rebirth and captured the white house was richard nixon, probably the best president since world war II...and i am saying this as a democrat:D
     
  14. wdlove macrumors P6

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    CBS / New York Times Poll

    "Positive rating GOP but not policies"

    Phone call made to 4 out of 10 voters, according to polling history voters tend to be more conservative.

    1. Bush ratings continue high >60%
    2. 2/3 favorable rating Republicans
    3. 1/2 unfavorable Democrats
    4. 2-1 unfavorable Gore, only 19% want him to run
    5. Democrats failed to give voters a reason to vote against Republicans.

    Voters not accept Socialist message.
     
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    If you think Gore is a socialist, then the US truly is dominated by the far right. :)
     
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    The US is dominated by the far right.
    How about this for the GOP: Greed, Oil, Power.
    The permanent war on terror will be the catalyst to keep the right in, and keep the left down. Who wants to dissent from the government during a war? Especially now that the government can easily keep tabs on your dissent.
     
  17. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    yeah, that was the first one i thought of. then i decided that greed extended beyond money to power, freeing up the 'p' for the permanent war.

    mark my words, it's our future.
     
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    I like it since the permanent war is only really a means to more power.
     
  19. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i worked for the department of defense in a personnel that was mostly middle of the road or conservative and we were in a socialist department within the us government...pork, pork, pork!...baby he he

    somehow it worked

    the us is not reduced to simple labels like capitalist, communist, and socialist

    there is no pure system any one agency or business or person used in the good old usa
     
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    If i am correct doesnt he hold the majority in both houses????

    if so then i see no reason why the senate coudln't let alone wouldn't.
     
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    The data gathering act was voted in by both republicans and democrates alike. So you can't blame just the republicans for this crap, I personally blame Congress (Senate and House) for being corrupt, and inept.

    Coast Guard will be transfered to the Department of Homeland Security, unless I'm mistaken. They will no longer be part of the Department of Transpertation.

    The president can affect the economy. They can get on their "Bully Pulpit" and talk up/down the economy, and the idots on Wallstreet listen. This is the trouble with so few people maintaining the market, and these few people have no idea what it's like in an actual store. They don't even have to be president to affect the economy, I saw it in the 2000 presidential election. Both canadates, Bush more so, talked down the economy. Guess what, it became a self fufilling prophecy. During the election, I frequented many different stores, consumer buying never stopped, manufacturing stopped, shelves became empty. If the shelves are empty, there's nothing for consumers to buy. The market suddenly saw a downturn. This is probably over simplification, but that is what I, a consumer, saw.
     
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    Re: are we still scared?

    WHAT! Are you out of your mind! I am sick of the lies! War is hereby declared on the lies that left wing folks are saying! Democrats make their living off of scaring people. Minorities, elderly, man, think about how lame a statement you just through out into the discussion.

    Oh, and agreenster, get off this "he is out to avenge his daddy" crap. That is all it is. Even the democrats agree that this is absolute poo.

    Now, as for Jef's question. As long as the war is going smoothly, and as long as the economy continues to grow, then W will be in the house. And for all of those that say the economy is weak, shut the hell up! 4% growth in the economy in Q3 which is historically slow! 7 straight weeks of gains on Wall Street. All the leading indicators are solid, interest rates are sick low. Damn, open your eyes and stop listening to Hillary "Satan" Clinton, and Tom "can't tell the truth" Daschle!

    Ok, that is all for now, I have to go take something before I respond to any other nonsense here.
     
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    Um, Gore just said two weeks ago that he thinks we need a "one payer" health care system"

    Call me crazy, but isn't that what Canada and England have?
     
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    Man, the left is keeping themselves down! They have no identity. They have spread themselves so think that they do not even know what they represent anymore. The notion of two cars in every garage and a chicken in every pot has been replaced with a very left agenda that is causeing 90% of the problems in this country today!

    Can't spank kids in school anymore, can't pray in school, can't do this, can't be a kid and be a bully, can't keep score in sports....

    Can kill a baby, can protect a convicted murder, can give people everything they need to live when they are to damn lazy to do it for themselves. Can call their constituats stupid to their faces and disempower them through social programs that don't work....

    Get the point. They have no identity and need to focus on an agenda.



    Oh, and one last thing. If Satan, I mean Hillary Clinton ever became President, I would move to another country.
     
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    Re: Re: are we still scared?

    Dont' go there:mad:

    Both parties are equally guilty of the "scare tactics". Dems scare old people about social programs, while Repubs scare people about how "evil so and such" country will invade if you don't elect me.

    Both the Democrats, and the Republicans disgust me in their tactics. And neither party should ever claim the "moral highground." Their both equally corrupt. Neither one represent the people of this nation anymore.
     

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