How the mobile phone biz lost the plot

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by edesignuk, May 22, 2007.

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    edesignuk

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    Full article.

    Just an interesting article that sums up the mobile/cell situation nicely. When I look at what phone to get next time my contract renews nothing really jumps out at me, there's nothing I really, really want, and there damn well should be. What's wrong with these companies?? Nothing but bloated crappy useless "innovations" that do absolutely nothing to distinguish themselves or make them more useful.

    Mobile TV, are you kidding me? :rolleyes: Mobile video calling died just about as well as home video calling did. People don't want to carry their phones out in front of their faces, they're supposed to be away in your pocket. Mobile TV, pffffft!

    All this 24/18 month contract bull**** is incredibly annoying too. They're now making it so you get bugger all if you opt for 12 months practically forcing you in to two years.
    I like this bit, my thoughts exactly.
     
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    skunk

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    Nail, meet head. You're absolutely right: I don't even want a phone these days because they are all complete crap. I'm just putting up with my awful Nokia N-something-or-other until the iPhone appears. Ms Skunk has a Nokia 3210 which she has resolutely and wisely refused to upgrade for several years.
     
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    MacBoobsPro

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    Same here. I only got a Moto SLVR because it was the best looking at the time. I even switched providers to get it. :rolleyes: There is nothing that makes me want a new phone, even though my SLVR is a pile of crap and has been in for repair twice.

    So I am willing to pay £300 for the iPhone when it reaches these crappy brown waters.
     
  4. macrumors regular

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    I'm not into all these phones myself, I don't want a camera and everything else that goes with it on a phone.

    I just want to make calls.

    As for the iPhone, it is the only phone that has other uses apart from making calls, and that's the inclusion of the iPod.

    It's a great, useful product.

    Then again, what else do you expect from :apple: ?
     
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    geese

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    What a good article. My Nokia N73, is annoyingly slightly faulty. Things seems to go wrong on it for a week then go away. For instance, it'd crash on an incoming call for a week, but no more. Now it resets when you push the volume up button.

    I wouldnt say it had Windows 3.1 stability though, more like Windows ME.
     
  6. macrumors Core

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    i need/want a new phone, and this is spot on, there is nothing interesting out there. the only two phones that i'm remotely looking at are both by moto, the SLVR and the KRAZR, but they're hardly perfect solutions either.
     
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    ravenvii

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    Funny how people are all talking about how bleak and boring the cellphone landscape is, and how Apple is going to storm in and change the face of the industry forever.

    And the iPhone isn't even out yet.

    Man, if that thing fails there are going to be MANY rolling heads...
     
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    Agreed, entirely. Features should be added if and only if the previous features aren't adversely affected. I remember back when my phone was never, ever off, and it always worked.

    Now? Yeah, it's cool I can view SVG graphics on websites. But it's not so cool when the damned thing reboots when a call comes in, or locks up loading email, or tells me it's out of memory whilst browsing the first page of a simple website after it was just turned on and 50+MB of memory is still available.
     
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    I might be going on a bit of a whim here but I think that the only reason these manufacturers get away with selling us this junk is that they force us to accept their subsidies for the phone thus making them nearly free.

    The downside to this of course is that we are bound by their contracts and we are forced to pay for our phones monthly instead of up-front. When they subsidize our phones for us and charge us exorbant monthly fee's we're being taken for a ride.

    Hopefully apple's no subsidy rumor will turn out to be a reality and finally force these companies to listen to us instead of mess with us.
     
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    Not true. The manufacturers are not fans of the contract requirements of the service providers. The manufacturers see the service providers, for the most part, as a necessary evil.
     
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    solvs

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    I had an old Nokia that I kept for years. It sent and received calls, and that was it. Wasn't great, but the battery lasted forever, plan was cheap. Worked ok until Cingular bought out AT&T. Then it started sucking and the replacements they were offering were terrible. Still are. Bad interface, horrible battery life, and all those unneeded features I never use because they don't work. I bought a Moto ROKR because it was cheap and has pretty decent battery life. When it works. Crashes and freezes sometimes for no reason, camera sucks, drops calls, and though the sound is pretty good, you can't actually use the mp3 player without it completely killing the battery. Then you have to wait forever for it to recharge. Still better than my friend's RAZR or the SLVR she got to replace it, and way better than the LGs my parents have, but that's not saying much.

    So yeah, I agree. Cell phones suck. The main reason why I want an iPhone, why I'm willing to pay the high price and increase my crappy service, is that Steve made a big deal about how easy it is to use. Especially the most important part, MAKING THE **** CALL! Yeah, camera and web are ok and all, I just want to make some phone calls and check my vm. Make it not suck and I will buy it. It can even suck a little as long as the battery life it good.

    Guessing I'm not the only one who feels that way.
     
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    I let myself get suckered by the folks that didn't have problems with their phones. My T637 shuts down randomly, has a pretty quiet volume setting and possibly the slowest UI I've ever seen. We'll see how much longer it lasts.

    On a side note, it isn't just the phones. My SIM card died last week, and ATT informed me that the replacement was a "one-time favor" and I will be ponying up $25 the next time it happens. Why would the SIM card die, and why would I pay for a new SIM if my contract runs out? Do they really think that I'm that in love with ATT/that cheap that I wouldn't change providers for something as simple as that?
     
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    edesignuk

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    The iPhone has no 3G and isn't open to 3rd party apps. It's a long long way from perfect. Not to mention the price.
     
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    If it's not one thing it's another with these mobile phones. Usually it's just little trivial things (can't have txt messages vibe AND ring, only one or the other. bad battery life. etc etc etc ad nauseam.)
    Can no one (including Apple) just put some more thought into it and intergrate the positives of others into their planning? Even the iPhone; can't swap batteries, not 3G, expensive as hell, subject to massive contracts, not to mention unavailable at the moment. It's just always something.

    Not a single phone I really want right now. Not one.
     
  15. macrumors Core

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    I like my LG Prada except for the following:

    It's leather case scratches the screen:rolleyes:
    There's no volume control for text message tones
    All the audio feedback for button pushing is intensely annoying, no simple "pip" sound.
    The mic is mounted on the bottom edge of the phone so it's difficult for people on the other end to hear you.
    The battery is the ultimate in *****. Has to be recharged every other night.
     
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    so... it sounds as if people would be happy to buy the mobile phones of year 2000 and 2001 if they could find them.

    My company sells them, but mostly outside of Europe. Of course, if the MacRumors crowd joins forces and decides to place an order for a couple thousand, it's fine with me :D

    No, seriously, I don't think that Nokia 3310 or similar phones would have a relevant demand if someone set up shop in NY or London to sell them, regardless of the amount of complaints people make on internet forums about how bloated modern phones are.
     
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    I have a Nokia 6230 at the moment. When that dies I'll probably just get the 6210 out of the drawer. Glad it's not just me that sees the entire current range of available handsets as utter *****.

    The first manufacturer that comes out with something small and simple with long battery life and just normal "phone" features gets a sale from me.
     
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    Yes, I was venting to my friend about how unreliable my freakin phone is. All I want is a phone to make calls and texting, with a reliable, responsive and perhaps cool UI. That's all. My current phone runs on windows mobile 5, is not only slow and it hangs. The novelty of Wifi wears off quickly as I don't use email on mobile and I have my laptop with me all the time. bahhhhh..................................
     
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    I have the Sony Ericsson K810i

    I use the camera a lot with the flash, it's awesome.
    I use the 3G Data speeds with my laptop when in hotels etc.
    I use the Video calling function with family and friends.

    It's stable, reliable, well built, pretty good battery life. It plays MP3 & M4A files absolutely fine.

    A lot of problems with these phones tends to come with the buggy software the networks put on the phones, they ship them out with no real-world testing.
     
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    I'm using a treo 700p. It does pretty well with email (but no multitasking); and OK as a phone, but that's it. It crashes and requires a hard reset more than once a week, the ringer is not loud enough, and the web browser is creaky and slow. It also syncs well with my practice management software, after about a month of tweaking and service calls. I'm a long time palm user so I was ready for all of this, but I know 95% of users are not. I really know this because at the same time I got my 700p I got one for a co-worker. Her experience has been horrible-- she has no idea what to do when things go south. I have not had time to do any tech support for her so her synching has never worked, and she is trapped with the horrible verizon push mail program. Palm really dropped the ball. They had sole possession of the smartphone field for 5 years, and they didn't get anything accomplished. I can't use an iphone, given the synch difficulties I would experience with my software and the cruddy quality of local AT&T.:(
     
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    so true. i myself prefer very basic phones that are robust and reliable. none available anymore. the phones with more features usually miss some simple things but are loaded with useless crap. it seems the engineers in those companies suck.

    but that trend is not only true for cell phones. you see similar problems with cars, digital cameras and even kitchen gadgets.

    well, that's the opportunity for small companies to make a fortune......
     
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    It's note-worthy that the first two phones mentioned are both overdue for replacement, in fact their replacements specs have been announced. The next Nokia communicator will have a vibrate function, a feature previously omitted because of the weight of the phone meaning it could hardly be felt. The next SE still doesn't have the 5way navigation, but instead relies on it's touch-screen interface, a set-up I think I prefer to the iPhone, although I'll not judge it until I've tried it.

    I agree that there's nothing on the market at present that I really want, it annoys me also that SE for example have a range of almost identical phones.
    It's interesting that you don't like the longer contracts, a new operator joined the market here last year, where previously there'd been just a single provider and offered 18 and 24 month contracts and really cheap handset deals. The existing monopoly complained to the regulator and now we are still stuck with 12month contracts and only about £50 off the sim-free handset price:mad:
     
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    I loved using (for 6 years) my very old Nokia 3285 w/its mono-green screen and no fancy internet/V-Cast crap :D

    I'm interested in the SLVR only because it is a candybar and the only one at that on Verizon. I don't care about the v-cast stuff. Although Moto could have put a megapixel on it instead of vga for the same price. Would like black as well instead of the silver colour. Oh well.

    I agree on the whole mobile tv. Useless.
    When I went to the store the sales person tried to show me the whole v-cast/mobile tv stuff. I just tuned him out.
     
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    I've had my current phone for almost 2 years and have not had problems, it does what I want, make phone calls. I don't need anything else out of a cell phone.
     

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