How to Easily Convert 15 Year Windows User...

Discussion in 'OS X Mountain Lion (10.8)' started by Krazy Bill, Aug 4, 2012.

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    Krazy Bill

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    ...You can't. :eek:

    My wife's Dell died 3 weeks ago. (R.I.P.) Off to the store for a new MBP13. Put MS-Office on it, transfered all her Windows docs, set her mac up "real purdy". She dove right in because she's got work to do.

    I've been sleeping in the garage since Thursday. Glad it's not Winter. :(
     
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    install windows bootcamp and run MS Office there, the performance for msoffice is best there
     
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    I was office 2011? Office 2008 runs like dirt in OS X, M$ shouldn't have even bothered releasing it. 2011 runs half way decent, it just doesn't take advantage of all of OS X's features.
     
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    Krazy Bill

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    Yep. I thought of starting her out with this. Was hoping she'd adapt to OSX from the start though.

    A lot of it is Mountain Lion (It came with Lion but she got a free upgrade). She runs into every bug and little quirk and just can't get around them. It's the damndest thing. :D (Most are mentioned here in the forum). Biggest issue for her right now is "Versions".

    The bright side... Maybe I'll get the new Mac in the divorce settlement. :D
     
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    MS Office 2011 doesn't use versions and it doesn't need to...
     
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    OS's dont get much more user friendly than OSX/iOS.

    It's easy. Some people just dont want to take the time to learn it and love it. They're stubborn. They'll always be Windows users.
     
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    Some people are just comfortable with what they know....
     
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    Krazy Bill

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    That's the problem. TextEdit, Preview do use versions and there's no consistency.
     
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    i think mac users are a certain branch of computer users.

    some people are interested in what works, and their productivity in business suites, those people really suit windows.

    some people are hardcore gamers, and want to customise, build, for affordability to game. they are also most likely spending most of their computing time gaming and probably just a little on web browsing/and some other things but mostly gaming. buying a windows based machine is also best for them. so their experience and use of the os isn't as large as the games they play.

    then there is users who i think value the enjoyment of using a computer, who are creative, designers, and value those elements in a computer. there are users and professionals who want to be productive and use the machine in a way that is just seamless by not just use, but design in the software.

    apple mastered the marriage of hardware and software for ultimate fluidity and intuitive use.

    i think these users suit Mac the most. i also think Mac is the right computer for family, and personal use of ones media hub/digital life.

    thats just my view.
     
  10. dusk007, Aug 5, 2012
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    If she needs to get work done now. Really just install MS Office in the Windows version on bootcamp and/or a virtual machine. One should bother with all the new stuff when there is time.
    Getting used to iWorks, OpenOffice won't happen in a day if you are used to the newer MS Office. MS Office for Mac is as mentioned crap. That is such crappy slow buggy software with a strange half backed UI concept, I for one don't understand how they could ever release that. If it was some first beta but it is now 2011 and 2008 was bad already. 2011 is better but still really poor.
    In a VM Windows office works well and as you'd expect. Obviously it doesn't behave like an OSX app. There is no consistency.

    Me I use textedit, office 2011 or openoffice when I don't need much. For big documents after two years I still launch Windows. Office 2011 powerpoint is okay but Excel and Word suck.

    Mac and Office just don't play well in the long run get used to the alternatives or live with crappy Office 2011.
    I never bothered with iWork myself. I tried it a few times but too often ran into limitations that drove me back to MS Office until I just quit trying. IMO Open Office is better as it mostly different in the User Interface and less in functionality than MS Office.
    iWork has great integration with OSX but that is imo its only real strong point. Aside from that integration Apple is not much into updating iWorks. Is mostly small updates and fixes.

    Textedit is also weird and a little inconvenient since ML. I don't really get much use out of it anymore. Used it for small stuff now I switched completely to editors and don't ever touch textedit.

    PS: If you like consistency you might get along better with iWork and Pages than me. One thing I also greatly dislike about it is that it is so different that it has quite a learning curve and I hate getting locked in into OSX too much. I try to rely on multiplatform software where ever possible because I don't want to be so deep in the Apple stuff that getting out of it would require too much work. I also needed to do much collaborative work and nobody I know uses iWork so it is really a complete fail on that part. You can open docs, docx but don't imagine you can actually work with Office users on the same document. It is a pain.
    If it is just for you and only you it is probably not so bad.
    Me I am very unhappy with where Lion and ML is going even though I am a big fan of Snow Leopard and can deal with ML deficiencies. Still I don't expect my next computer to be an Apple again and are thus reluctant to bind myself to a plattform so strongly that I cannot simply switch back to Windows if I don't like the next hardware iteration or the price tag or the next OSX changes.
    For the same reason I don't buy AppleTVs and all kinds of Apple stuff. Closed environments suck, are inflexible and expensive if you want to change at some point. There is lots of Multiplattform software and many is quite good, also stuff like iphoto/Mail is so simple there is no switching cost included. Office isn't if you know how to use many features imo.
    I mean to say completely converting might not be a good plan.
     
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    Change takes time. I switched to Mac after 20 years on Windows, primarily because I wanted to develop iPhone apps. My wife hated the iMac. Well, after two years of tinkering with my iMac and beating her head against the wall with the Windows PC, guess who's got the iMac now? Yup. That's why I bought my shiny new 13" MBP!
     
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    The worst one can do is to make someone else happy by force... instal Bootcamp and she will adore it and you may sleep in the bedroom again.
     
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    Agreed you beat me to It, I always post that link too when this question is asked helped me a tonne when I switched in sept last year after about 20 years with windows
     
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    Well since he said that Office 2011 is already installed then suggesting installing Office on Windows through Boot Camp seems like a silly idea and a waste of money.

    I made the switch nearly a year ago. I kept my old Dell laptop and used it for Office, gaming etc, but after getting used to OS X and installing Windows 7 using Boot Camp, I sold it on and now i work solely on my Mac.

    It takes a while to get used to the way it works, but after a while you will wonder how you ever managed without some of the features. My personal favourite is the trackpad - the BEST trackpad out there, and second to this is Gestures.
     
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    What's the problem with Office 2011? It can do anything Office 2010 does, if not more (apart from non-existent apps like Project, of course). Office 2008 was crap, but Office 2011 (let's not mention the horrible ribbon which is ALSO present in Office 2010) performs fine here and with no major issues except for the odd layout changes between Windows and OS X. which are to blame solely on MS and its abusive practices.
     
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    Yes. I gave up and got her in bootcamp for now. :D Holy Crap, the house is at peace once again. It's all unicorns, rainbows and little bunnies frolicking on the lawn. But most importantly, the ensuing side effect of celibacy has also passed.


    I haven't found one document in Office 2011 that hasn't been compatible with MS counterparts. And Mrs. KB had no problems using hers either. (It's the ribbon changes and general OSX nuances she didn't like).

    If there were no MS-Office version available for the mac, I'd still be on windows. I need it that much.

    Again, I don't understand. VB was even restored in Office 2011. I find no inconsistencies and float freely back and forth between both Win/OSX flavors on a daily basis.
     
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    Two things:
    1. Office 2011 is Microsoft software just as is Office 2010.
    2. I can attest to the fact that I have dealt with documents that Office 2011 does not handle properly. The documents at issue are VBA-based Word 2010 documents produced by a Federal agency for use in end-of-year reports.
     
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    It can be especially difficult to make that transition if you’re in the middle of a lot of work. (Not that you and your wife had any choice since it was the untimely dying of the Dell that started this.)
     
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    1. Uh... yes. I'm sure you have a point here and are not just pointing out the obvious. :)

    A document produced by a Federal Agency has problems. Imagine that. :D

    Indeed. There are VB influenced incompatibilities - no arguments there. I have never encountered this though. It in my world, that's the important thing.
     
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    That's a pretty good view. I used to be the biggest anti-Apple person ever, now just look at my sig. I have nothing against Windows, I still use it at work daily. I just wanted something that "just worked" and wanted to try something different. It was a huge, expensive gamble. I bought the MacBook Pro back in February, then deployed with it right after. I didn't have a choice but to learn it, get used to it. Sure, for gaming, Windows is better. That's really the only thing that sucked making the Mac-only switch, as there were a few games I wish I could be playing while I was here, but I've managed. Having it here has made the entire trip more enjoyable. Easier to manage, easier to use my other iOS devices.

    Switching to Mac has been the best computer decision I've made.
     
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    If the clouds return, "give the people what they want".

    Buy another Dell-bacle for $399, and you keep the Mac.
     
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    In hindsight... the most sensible advice yet. :D

    She loved that piece of crap $325 Inspiron. Creaky lid, sticky keys and all.

    Oh well, Her MBP is now a $1200 windows machine with a puke-green speck cover. I don't care. I'm out of the dog house.
     
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    yeah, i honestly can't relate to the difficulty of switching from windows to mac. i had used mac a few times in college, i never disliked it, but i never saw anything that made me see why i should want it, besides the prettyness of it. it was only until i watched a full wwdc of apple in 2011 and i saw them show features such as mission control, launch pad, etc that the moment arrived, as jobs described it - people don't know what they want until we show them" - well thats exactly what happened. how did i manage to use macs several times but never be aware of features like expose and spaces?

    thats when i began saving up for a mac. i always knew apple could make something good, they did it with the ipods, phones, pads, and i loved them, even though i only owned an ipod.

    in that time, i even reverted to mac-layout themes on my windows machine, and so i was pretty used to the dock-menu bar layout, i understood the concept.

    the rest was just understanding the translations of the system, i.e. - control panel = system preferences.

    to be honest, i was right at home with mac os 10 after a few days or a week. loved it since. its not perfect, iv had some bad experience with its ram useage (until Mountain lion) but it far exceeds windows as a ui experience for productivity.
     
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    I have the same problem with my wife, who continues to sputter along with her Sony Vaio slow-as-molasses furnace (really, it's so hot anywhere it's kind of scary).

    I have already offered to buy her a MBA or MBP, but she doesn't seem excited at all (she said she had a "bad" experience with OS 8/9-running iMacs when in high-school).

    Worse, she would only accept a Mac if it comes in pink...any alternatives out there? ;)
     

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