How to turn on secret WEP protocol for Wi-Fi sharing of Ethernet

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    If you use your Mac as a Wi-Fi hotspot, OSX Mountain Lion removed the ability to use WEP security protocol, and forced you to either use None or WPA2 security protocol. This is bad for older devices that do not support WPA2, but only support WEP. If you don't want to risk using None as security protocol when connecting these devices, you can use the SECRET option key combo to turn on WEP 40-bit and 128-bit security in the menu selection.

    Here is the video showing where:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAV5hkNT7FA
     
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    Of course WEP is practically the same as no security anyway, so why bother?
     
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    In what scenario would somebody use their Mac as a wifi hotspot instead of just installing a wifi router that supports all the latest protocols?
     
  4. VinegarTasters, Aug 12, 2012
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    How about all those devices made before WPA2 was invented, and they all used WEP protocol? I think the most popular device would be the Sony PSP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYpxKh7nKiI
     
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    Thats a good point. Use WPA instead.
     
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    For all the older devices that only have WEP, I would say its time to upgrade to something newer that supports a robust and tested security protocol. If one must keep an older device, such as the PSP, as mentioned, I'd recommend getting a cheap wireless router and use it strictly for the one device that is WEP only and make sure all other devices are on a WPA2 secured network.
     
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    Why would anyone want to buy ANOTHER wireless router when you already can use your MAC as a hotspot? Just share your ethernet via wi-fi, and you are good to go. It only takes a few clicks to switch to WEP when you connect to PSP, and a few clicks to switch back when you use WPA2 for maybe iPhone and such.

    I think two wireless routers in close proximity degrades performance. It also gives you more headaches (and for some people skin tingling) the more wi-fi hotspots there are in a given location.
     
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    No. Actually it's purely psychosomatic. There is no mechanism that this can happen despite individual claims. Hotspots are simply not powerful enough to cause the physical response that you describe. No way no how. If you know of any documented scientific findings (the whole 9 yards of course - no antidotal citations - that's useless) that can legitimately show such a link (and it has to come from mainstream resources that have credibility) please post it.
     
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    Oh, come on. EVERYONE knows EMR is dangerous. The disagreement is what frequency and what power output it is "considered dangerous". If you think it is NOT dangerous, try microwaving your hand, or stand in the sun without sunscreen for a long period of time, or even try to approach a cellphone tower without seeing signs saying EMR is hazardous to your health.

    A lot of research was done proving EMR and EMF are dangerous, but the guy ended up dead. Luckily he had some papers published.

    http://www.neilcherry.com/documents.php

    Look for:
    Cancer rates of people near cellphone towers are higher.
    EMR (like from Wi-Fi) decreases melatonin production (bad for sleep cycle), and it also increases bacteria's production rate.

    Of course you already heard about high power EMR is "carcinogenic" from World Health Organization.

    Bla Bla Bla... Actually this is not my fight. I am sure there are lots of people who are benefiting from this technology, but I think low frequency and low power should be the direction.
     
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    I can tell you right off the bat that something self published doesn't mean much to me or anybody else. We need peer review journals. And don't go asking me to do Google searches. You made the claim in the first place. Onus is on you here to provide the research. I'll help you out. Blinded test on people who claim to have sensitivity have never been reliably replicated in trials.

    Source
     
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    Come on... Give me a break. The guy has a doctorate degree. He has at least 3 published papers in that link I gave.

    http://www.neilcherry.com/documents.php


    BUT, if you are picky, you can always look at the national institute of health.
    There are TONS of papers showing a link between EMR/EMF on your body. But why do you need other's opinion? Just think scientifically and you will lead to the same conclusion. Why does water vibrate in a microwave oven? The same frequency as Wi-Fi. The ONLY difference is power output. Either you vibrate things over long term at low power, or you vibrate things over a short term at high power.

    Think of it as a nuclear powered submarine analogy. Either stay a short while near the reactor. Or stay a long while further away from the reactor. But you still need to get out of there at some time or the radiation level becomes too toxic for your body. Unfortunately, hotspots are always on, so longer term the probability adds up something bad is gonna happen. Just like staying in the sun a short time is ok, but stay too long you get skin cancer. Obviously you don't need research papers to know that.



    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19464814
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407555
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17351512
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17130668
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16836875
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15875777
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15750583
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14635193
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8722117
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9933863
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1626106
     
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    Because that's how science works - a theory is pretty useless without somebody to check out said theory. And power is everything. Wi-Fi is nowhere near the scale of a microwave so comparing the two is silly. Again. There is no estabished correlation with wi-fi and the physical responces that you cite that can show a significant correlation. At best you get the weak "more research is needed".

    Once again, I never said that EM has no effect on the body. But I did say that there is no proof that Wi-Fi has any physical effects on the body. And there is no proof out there. Nothing that can be shown to establish a firm link.
     
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    You didn't read the first link's papers?

    I also threw out a few links from NIH. Looks like you didn't read through them. I've edited the links so there is definitely a link between EM and your body in all the links. FIY there is no difference between EM and Wi-Fi... Wi-Fi uses EM.
     
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    Back on topic - Anyone who is going to snoop on your wireless connection can break WEP in 60 seconds or so with the many free tools on the net.

    Backtrack would be the first to come to mind, completely packaged Live OS for security auditing.

    And if you're only using your PSP on it then switching it back to WPA2 after - why bother with any encryption for game data? Does the PSP have things that use credit card or banking info?
     
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    I know - but as you said power is everything and the power that Wi fi is broadcast is at is no different than what is out there normally in the background. It isn't powerful enough to do anything that can be demonstrably shown.
     
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    Somebooodyy needs to learn the difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation.
     
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    OP: Get an AirPort Extreme and set up a secure network for regular use and a non secure version as guest network. Don't downgrade your overall security because of a PSP.
     
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    WEP is useless. Just use none if your device only supports WEP.

    I know the PSP at least supports WPA with the latest official firmware.
     
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    I'm fairly confident I know the difference between the two. Enough to know that Wi-Fi is non ionizing and isn't powerful enough to do much to you. If it was, we could detect it simply by heat alone. It doesn't make the air warmer.
     
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    my comment was aimed at OP :p
     
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    I am surprised that people simply spew something they read without ever knowing what the terms mean. Here is the definition ionizing and non-ionizing radiation from the internet:

    "Because living tissue is 70-90% water by weight, the dividing line between radiation that excites electrons and radiation that forms ions is often assumed to be equal to the ionization of water: 1216 kJ/mol. Radiation that carries less energy can only excite the water molecule. It is therefore called non-ionizing radiation. Radiation that carries more energy than 1216 kJ/mol can remove an electron from a water molecule, and is therefore called ionizing radiation."

    How does that change anything listed in my comments? Microwaves still will boil your hand, and you are telling me that will have no affect on your body? Excitation or electron removal is not the defining term. It is what the radiation does to your body. Just read all the NIH links.

    But back on topic about secret settings in Mountain Lion OSX...

    Here is a way to force quit the current running application... The video shows the keycombo when pressing the secret shift key. (you don't need to be in the Apple menu when executing the combo).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNRmYoOL3I

    As for the guy asking about does the PSP do anything the needs security... It has a browser, and you can buy things from the PlayStation Store, so anything you do that needs protection in iPhone applies to the PSP as well. Hmm... look here:

    http://www.edepot.com/reviews_sony_psp.html
     
  22. pdjudd, Aug 18, 2012
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    I know - I was just adding my point. Wi-Fi just isn't powerful enough nor is it directional enough to cause any harm nor make you sick. Nobody has ever found a provable correlative link and nobody has been able show a mechanism for how it could cause illness.

    I personally think its people who are misapplying correlation with causation until they are convincing themselves that they cannot be wrong.

    That's the point. Non ionizing radiation (like EM) has to be very directional and very powerful to cause any harm. That's why microwaves work, they are powerful directional devices that are restricted to a limited area. Wi-Fi isn't doing it. If it could, we would be detecting it in the air. It doesn't. It isn't focussed and it isn't strong. In fact it's not any worse than any other cordless technology.

    Since it doesn't heat your body up (And it can't since any effect would dissipate quickly over distance), how else is it going to affect your body if it is non-ioninizing? Comparing wi-fi to microwaves isn't an accurate comparison. They aren't doing the same thing.
     
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    You are right!. A lot of people were just "mind controlled" by the mainstream. I must admit I was until several years ago when I started to question and began looking for answers. The true answers many people will NOT accept for many reasons. One is the mind control programming which is ingrained and runs unchecked. Just try this with your partner or someone close to you. Try to trigger some anger response (just as a test). Once triggered, a program runs just like you have seen before. Why is that ?. Well, mind programmed with no WILL to check the input stimulus. This is rampant in USA and it is why you can have the system going the state it is and no-one seemed to care. Yeah, there were people voicing the truth and see how many are alive now. Why ? You must ask. The answer will come to you. It is out there in the clear. You need to train your eyes to see it and your brain to interpret it right. And if you study RV and do it. You will find out what and why, hopefully be able to live with it. Many cannot live with the real truth unfortunately.
     
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    Please don't take this the wrong way ... but I think you need to go and see your doctor and either start your medication or up your current dose.
    :D
     
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    I think he is being sarcastic - his thread starts out with a ;) icon in the subject bar. At least I HOPE he is being sarcastic.
     

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