Human rights record of the United States in 2012

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by SilentPanda, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. Moderator emeritus

    SilentPanda

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Location:
    The Bamboo Forest
    #1
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2013-04/22/content_16430019.htm

    Fairly lengthy but interesting to read the human rights violations of the United States from the perspective of China. Some of it is the pot calling the kettle black, but most of it seems accurate.

     
  2. macrumors 68000

    VulchR

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Location:
    Scotland
    #2
    So the US government's propaganda does not match the Communist Party of the PRC's desire to sweep its poor record under the table. What a shock.
     
  3. thread starter Moderator emeritus

    SilentPanda

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Location:
    The Bamboo Forest
    #3
    I think the point they are making is that the US violates human rights also but since they are the ones that put out the report, the US is absent from the list.
     
  4. macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2011
    #4
    I think China may well be worse in terms of human rights. Amnesty international's dedicated page is fairly exhaustive, though when it comes to who is the biggest killer globally the states obviously tops the list.
     
  5. thread starter Moderator emeritus

    SilentPanda

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Location:
    The Bamboo Forest
    #5
    This doesn't have anything to do with who is worse, it has to do with who is excluded from being listed.
     
  6. macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2011
    #6
    Ok. But the discussion is there to be had, so why not have it?
     
  7. thread starter Moderator emeritus

    SilentPanda

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Location:
    The Bamboo Forest
    #7
    You're free to discuss what you like. But that's not really what the article is about nor do I find that topic terribly interesting. Is China worse? Yes. But we should also look at our own violations along with others.
     
  8. macrumors G3

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #8
    Well, we've got 86 men cleared of all charges in Cuba there that have no way to get out even though our own trials have deemed them not to be a threat to anyone. They are so desperate that they have been starving themselves to the point where we are force feeding them to keep them alive (force feeding of course being long viewed as a form of torture internationally) That should tell you how much of a **** our leaders give about human rights.

    But hey, we've got great slogans and PR campaigns, even our citizens buy it. "Freedom"
     
  9. macrumors G4

    skunk

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2002
    Location:
    Republic of Ukistan
    #9
    The human rights of over 200 Pakistani children have been terminally prejudiced by US drone strikes.
     
  10. macrumors G4

    Eraserhead

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2005
    Location:
    UK
    #10
    The Chinese have sourced their article pretty openly.
     
  11. macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    #11
    Id agree that the US likes to act as judge juror and executioner, but when it comes to their own human rights record likes to sweep it under the carpet.
     
  12. macrumors 68000

    VulchR

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Location:
    Scotland
    #12
    The State Department of the US is focused on foreign affairs. They probably do not receive any funding for research about US human rights violations. No doubt they'd be raked over the coals in some Congressional hearing if they did fund research into the US's record. It's not the State Department's remit. I would expect it would be the purview of the Justice Department.

    The US does allow other organizations (Amnesty, UN, etc.) that document the US's human rights record to operate relatively freely. That cannot be said of many countries in the world...
     
  13. macrumors G3

    Huntn

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Location:
    The Misty Mountains
    #13
    I understand the "combatant/pow" issue, but I've always had serious issues with Guantanamo. We think of them as "them", but they could be held indefinitely without their day in court. And oh, PS, we have never considered POWs in the past to be criminals, have we?

    The scary thing is that if our system ever becomes abusive, such as declaring anyone involved in a disturbance as being an enemy combatant, or even falsely accused, any citizen could be vulnerable to being stripped of their rights.

    For clarification, I am not lecturing you, just making a statement, and I don't fee the Boston Bombers have been falsely accused, and our system would have to slip a lot for this kind of abuse, but we don't want to head there at all.
     
  14. macrumors G3

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #14
    The problem is that these 86 men have been cleared by our own government's tribunals and have been cleared for release for years. We are just letting those detainees rot when *our government* has officially cleared them. This is the fate of over half the prisoners in Gitmo. Free men with no freedom.
     
  15. macrumors G3

    Huntn

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Location:
    The Misty Mountains
    #15
    Why have they not been released? Based on your statement being detained would be a gross human rights violation.
     
  16. macrumors G4

    skunk

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2002
    Location:
    Republic of Ukistan
    #16
    Indeed it is. The excuse is that no other country wants these people, which is unsurprising considering the effect being held in Guantanamo must have on their CVs. Still, mustn't grumble: half of them will be dead soon in a gross act of asymmetrical warfare, as the Pentagon would likely put it.
     
  17. macrumors G3

    Huntn

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Location:
    The Misty Mountains
    #17
    So they are free to go or is the U.S. detaining them? They can't be placed on a plane to their home country and their home country would not accept them? If the latter, then is that the U.S.'s fault? Just trying to understand the situation.
     
  18. macrumors 68040

    obeygiant

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Location:
    Michigan
  19. macrumors G3

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #19
    Well, congress did that whole thing where they made it illegal for a president to transfer Guantanamo detainees to the United States and no other country will take them.

    And you're right, it is a disgunting human rights violation that has been ongoing for years, so long that the detainees are on hunger strike to bring attention to the situation.
     
  20. macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2009
    #20
    We all know that the Chinese are angels when it comes to human rights but to say that the US is makes me laugh.. The Chinese definitely have some points about the US made. We are no angels on this side of the earth either. In Asia many here view the US comments and policies of those of Hypocrites.

    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/23/china_grades_americas_human_rights_conduct


    http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com...-s-on-human-rights-draws-support-and-mockery/

    The US is one of a few countries that were you to get pulled over by a Police Officer and were to exit your car you could very well have a gun pointed at you and risk being shot and killed lol..
     

Share This Page