I think this whole thing is a trick by Apple. Let me ask you guys a question: Why would Apple continue to put G4's in the Power Mac's if they are already in the iMac's? Also, doesn't the G4 need a lot of time left since it was just put into the new iMac? The G4's are now iMac processors, right? So, traditionally, the PowerMac's need to be more powerful then iMac's, right? So, a video card, and a space to upgrade are not really big reasons to use a powermac, when for a few bucks less you get basicly the same machine. So, that means the G5 is coming out even though Apple say's it not. I think they are doing it just ot save thier asses. I would do the same thing now: Think about it thier way: I say thier are no new machines coming out for months, then people who are waiting in the sidelines by the machines now, therefore making profits go up. Then a little later on, a come out with the G5, and then: whew! I made a heck of a lot of money. So think about it that way. That's how I am thinking. My final forecast: I think MWNY for G5's, but it is possible for MWSF in 2003. But if I were Apple, I would pull the G5 out before Intel and AMD can get thier next generation machines out. Just a guess though. What do you guys think?